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      Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

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      The Real Donavan Ried
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #13501: Sep 10, 2017 06:12:32 pm
      Our primary target we wanted to buy, we couldn't bid for, cos we got collared tapping him up!!
      Yes you are correct He was a primary target...But the other that I mentioned were not yet we still put an offer in for them, so people saying that Klopp would not go for secondary or other target are mistaken
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      Reply #13502: Sep 10, 2017 06:25:54 pm

      Time all of  Brendan's dross was flushed down the toilet





      Personally I look at Lovern, Moreno and Mignolet and I think they were worth a try. They were young, good players with the possibility of improvement.

      They all deserved 18/24 months to settle and have time to improve.

      What I can't get is after 3/4 years they haven't improved and they are still here.

      If Klopp ever expects to win the league with us he has to move these players on
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      Reply #13503: Sep 10, 2017 06:50:38 pm
      Personally I look at Lovern, Moreno and Mignolet and I think they were worth a try. They were young, good players with the possibility of improvement.

      They all deserved 18/24 months to settle and have time to improve.

      What I can't get is after 3/4 years they haven't improved and they are still here.

      If Klopp ever expects to win the league with us he has to move these players on

      Mignolet isn't a bad keeper, he's just a bad keeper for us. He hasn't developed the faults that make him a liability for us over night, he had them at Sunderland, but Sunderland never played like us so he was always the wrong choice Keeper to be brought in. They were decisions rooted in the 'let's do things on the cheap differently' mentality we had up until this Summer, one that's hopefully consigned to the past. It was this rationale behind Matip, brought in because he was available on a free.

      Moreno's problem is his lack of spatial awareness, his lack of a footballing brain. Lovren is a decent enough player but is prone to lapses in judgement and played in an entirely different system at Southampton. Both of those were a scouting failure, pure and simple. None of them should ever have been bought if we were serious about becoming an Elite club again.


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      Reply #13504: Sep 10, 2017 08:08:41 pm
      F****** Rodgers  :mad:.
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      Reply #13505: Sep 10, 2017 08:30:31 pm

      Moreno's problem is his lack of spatial awareness, his lack of a footballing brain.

      Lovren is a decent enough player but is prone to lapses in judgement and played in an entirely different system at Southampton.

      Both of those were a scouting failure, pure and simple. None of them should ever have been bought if we were serious about becoming an Elite club again.




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      Reply #13506: Sep 10, 2017 08:58:18 pm
      For those of you who want to get rid of the manager, I hear there is a young one in Scotland as a replacement. ;)

      Quite simply Klopp has to be flexible and give other players a chance.

      I bet we will get the same forward & midfield on Wednesday. He needs to change up in game which he just can't seem to do.
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      Reply #13507: Sep 10, 2017 09:21:34 pm

      Let it F***ing go already.
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      Reply #13508: Sep 10, 2017 11:28:04 pm
      I posted a week or so ago that if Jürgen wasn't willing to pick an alternative to VVD one should have been picked for him, Sat affirms this idea for me.
      I'm all for JK being rigid in player selection and having a big say on things by and large but we cannot go down the Arsenal path where the manager has carte blanche, there's got to be someone at the football club with a football brain asking questions of Klopp and challenging him sometimes. Who is this person?
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      Reply #13509: Sep 11, 2017 07:00:29 am
      A 5-0 loss to City should be balanced with a MINIMUM of a 5 game winning streak...

      There's a problem if that is not achievable.
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      Reply #13510: Sep 11, 2017 07:26:31 am
      Man there is a lot of conclusions being drawn from losing away to one of the biggest spending teams in history, with 10 men and our two best players not on the pitch. I don't agree at all city looked good value before Mane's send off. I also don't think we were getting walked through at that point. Yes we definitely went down a gear once we were down to 10. It happens, and Klopp doesn't really favour grinding out draws. I love his approach. If Coutinho is able to stay this year, like Suarez did then I fancy us against anyone. Also the send off was a bad decision. If Mane had of jumped in head first like Ederson i.e. fairly ?? then they would probably both be dead. There was a high foot about 10 minutes before that outside our box and a free kick wasn't even given.
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      Reply #13511: Sep 11, 2017 08:52:41 am
      Quote from Alfie2510
      I posted a week or so ago that if Jürgen wasn't willing to pick an alternative to VVD one should have been picked for him, Sat affirms this idea for me.

      Rodgers 2014, Balotelli......

      We had a football game for 36 minutes. What happened afterwards can be dismissed as a non event. We all know what caused it, and it's nothing to do with Klopp, or FSG, but a card from the refs pocket.

      We know that this defence had already  kept 2 clean sheets this season, we also know that it had kept 6 clean sheets in the previous 7 league games. It may not be the best defence around, but we won't lose many games this season with 11 players on the pitch. There's not much point complaining about them every week of the season. We can't buy anyone until next summer, so we just have to make the best of what we have.
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      Reply #13512: Sep 11, 2017 09:45:04 am
      We've played two away games in the league and we've shipped 8 goals and the vast majority of them were completely avoidable.

      10 men or not, that's worrying as F**k for the season ahead.
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      Reply #13513: Sep 11, 2017 01:06:42 pm
      Next three games Burnley Leinster city and Newcastle of we lose two them games he need be sack

      Oh please do F**k off you muppet
      very much against the run of play, we'd already had 2 or 3 half chances by that point. The red card screwed the whole game.
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      Reply #13514: Sep 11, 2017 01:12:39 pm
      We are paying the price for a shitty transfer window... Yeah some here will try and defend it by saying we beat Arsenal 4-0 or we lost the game with the sending off of Mane... Arsenal did not start Kolasinac, or Lacazette....City were all over us and looking in control and threading from the start; and more than likely would have beaten us without the red card shown to Mane....

      City changed both of their L/R back for better players. Bought in a better Goal keeper, and left sided midfielder in Mendy... What did LFC do...? We added Salah, and the OX (squad player) and two Potential improvements in Robertson and Solanke... Not wishing to put the two young guys down, but you see the problem...? City bought in Quality players we bought mainly potential...

      To further underline that point, think of it like the numbers game in Countdown... You have four rows of numbers from which the contestant choose five(or is it 4?) any way. The top row being the best and the bottom row being Potential... City choose four from the top and second row while LFC Choose one from the second row, one from the third and two from the forth row...

      City now have a monster of a Squad and have improved in the areas the manager Identified in which the team need to improve, while LFC improved in one area alone with Salah,two if you  are counting depth.... City,Utd,Chelsea,Arsenal,Spur have all Improved, while we have been treading water...

      Our Best hope is that we can tough it out for a fifth spot in the Premier League and maybe a decent cup run, and a final down the road...

      We have Keita coming next season; the money for Coutinho and with that the possibility of Lemar and VVD... But by then I seriously doubt we will be playing CL football... 

      Klopp is a great manager, who sometimes lets him self down, but in the main is let down by those around him... I felt that FSG held on to Coutinho for all the wrong reasons and tried to appease the supporters; when in fact selling him would have benefited the Club Manager, and Team  in both short and long term....

      Sometime you have to pay over the top to get the right players in to improve the team... Had we taken the reported £140-£160 m maybe we could have done just that...

      Citeh spent £400 million in one year, we do NOT NOT NOT have that kind of money, why the F**k is this so hard for people to understand???
      The club only just turns a profit and with that profit we invest in players so why moan about it. We are a poor club and unless we get bought by an Arab with more money than sense we will never complete with Citeh, PSG, Real Madrid, Barca or Manure on transfer spending, deal with it!!
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      Reply #13515: Sep 11, 2017 03:13:21 pm
      We got tonked, get over it, we've done enough of the tonking to be happy with the ratio.
       Mane getting sent off, bit of a brain fart from him but no real malice, it was a red card I think. Unsettled everyone in our team.
      An unusual game, I'm upset and it was sh*t to watch but the way people just flip out and turncoat at every set back is odd, just piling stress onto yourself on top of the defeat.
      Worst defeat in 25 years or whatever, so what, still a loss of 3 points, that's it. I'd rather lose one game 5 nil than 5 games 1 nil. Man City were slick and it gave them the sight of blood to go in for the kill when we went to 10 men, before that we were buzzing around causing them all kinds of problems.
      Strange subs though.
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      Reply #13516: Sep 12, 2017 02:04:11 pm
      Been away from Forum for a while....I cannot understand why Jürgen didn;t strengthen the defence over the summer. It was the ONE area we all knew needed addressing. Just hope we don't turn into another version of Kevin Keegan's Newcastle  :-\
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      Reply #13517: Sep 12, 2017 02:40:40 pm
      Been away from Forum for a while....I cannot understand why Jürgen didn;t strengthen the defence over the summer. It was the ONE area we all knew needed addressing. Just hope we don't turn into another version of Kevin Keegan's Newcastle  :-\

      We kind of have in the last few years.
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      Reply #13518: Sep 12, 2017 05:11:37 pm
      We got tonked, get over it, we've done enough of the tonking to be happy with the ratio.
       Mane getting sent off, bit of a brain fart from him but no real malice, it was a red card I think. Unsettled everyone in our team.
      An unusual game, I'm upset and it was sh*t to watch but the way people just flip out and turncoat at every set back is odd, just piling stress onto yourself on top of the defeat.
      Worst defeat in 25 years or whatever, so what, still a loss of 3 points, that's it. I'd rather lose one game 5 nil than 5 games 1 nil. Man City were slick and it gave them the sight of blood to go in for the kill when we went to 10 men, before that we were buzzing around causing them all kinds of problems.
      Strange subs though.

      I think the subs were all made with an attitude of "we're beat" and an eye toward future games. He gave Ox his first runout with us, while resting Salah for the midweek game. I think at that point it was all about what was coming later.

      Solanke for Bobby was definitely that and Milner for Gini probably part that and part he knew Milner would be committed, but obviously none of the moves changed anything on the day. It was extremely disappointing, but we need to bounce back now.
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      Reply #13519: Sep 12, 2017 08:48:00 pm
      I think the subs were all made with an attitude of "we're beat" and an eye toward future games. He gave Ox his first runout with us, while resting Salah for the midweek game. I think at that point it was all about what was coming later.

      Solanke for Bobby was definitely that and Milner for Gini probably part that and part he knew Milner would be committed, but obviously none of the moves changed anything on the day. It was extremely disappointing, but we need to bounce back now.


      Deffo mate, we're beat lets think about the next game decisions. Think we all knew after the Mane incident that the game was done, in terms of fun too. I was too worried about their goalie too enjoy anything, it's bound to have impacted our players, poor guy.
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      Reply #13520: Sep 13, 2017 12:35:19 am
      Citeh spent £400 million in one year, we do NOT NOT NOT have that kind of money,
      The club only just turns a profit and with that profit we invest in players so why moan about it. We are a poor club and unless we get bought by an Arab with more money than sense we will never complete with Citeh, PSG, Real Madrid, Barca or Manure on transfer spending, deal with it!!
      Firstly Gave you a thumps up by accident ;D....

      We do not need £400 m in one year We merely have to strengthen were needed... Most here believe we needed a CB,LB Forward (and maybe a Keeper)... where are we now... Striker...? (one for the future)... Left back,Average player can not make the starting line up ahead of Moreno.... No Centre Back... We could have picked up Javier Hernandez £16m Proven striker... there were a few CB to be had,Harry Maguire £17m.... We bought none.... Two players that would have improve our team cost in £33m. That is lest than the money we wasted on the Ox.... If FSG and LFC had bought one quality player every season We would be right up there.... It is not just about the money, It is how you spend it... To quote you...."why the f**k is this so hard for people to understand???"
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      Reply #13521: Sep 13, 2017 12:45:08 am
      Firstly Gave you a thumps up by accident ;D....

      Would only be fair if heimdall returns the favour and gives you a thumbs up!
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      Reply #13522: Sep 13, 2017 08:00:46 am
      Am I the only one who thinks Klopp does not know how to organize a defense?

      I remember the impact Clarke had when he came as assistant for Kenny Dalglish, our defense was very solid. Maybe he needs help.

      The defenders are not the issue, it's the way they are coached which bothers me. Our midfield is so poor at marking and defending too.
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      Reply #13523: Sep 13, 2017 10:11:17 am
      Am I the only one who thinks Klopp does not know how to organize a defense?

      I remember the impact Clarke had when he came as assistant for Kenny Dalglish, our defense was very solid. Maybe he needs help.

      The defenders are not the issue, it's the way they are coached which bothers me. Our midfield is so poor at marking and defending too.

      Quite simply, IMHO Klopp's approach is same as Keegan's. We will score more than the opposition - fuuuuuuuuuuk with defence.

      Keegan's Newcastle were great to look at (as are we since Klopp came) but they *didn't* win anything. We were in three finals and lost all of them. :(

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