Agreed and part of the problem is that Jürgen came in part way through a season, he took us to two finals and then in his first full season he delivers CL footy. The problem being that I think people judge Jürgen's time here as much longer than it really is and I also think our manager is taking it in the neck from all angles for showing the loyalty he's always professed to show.

Jürgen is trying to do what those who'd seen him before suggested he would and that's try to coach players rather that simply buy xyz and be done with it. It's as he suggests "a different way", now that will be laughed at right now in terms of Lovren and Klavan but there are players who've shown real improvement under Jürgen and continue to do so. Players such as Trent/Woodburn etc will all be given the chance that most coaches would never dream of giving them and in the long run we will get huge benefits from it but the lack of patience from people right now, is honestly just a poor reflection on them and the way society has gone as a whole.

It's the now generation, everything has to be delivered on a plate for an audience of petulant kids who think for some reason they deserve to get it all given to them without any real effort and I must admit I find it repulsive. Show some patience, love what used to be great about the game, watching players come through and get better and better until we dominate the league with a team we've built, I can't express how good that would feel to knock all the oil rich cu*ts who are ripping the soul out of this game to sit on top and show them there is a way that their money can't reproduce. To do that though there will be moments where frustration will have to be swallowed and anger quelled.

We have the choice which way we go with this, for Jürgen it would be a simple trip back home to Germany to manage any club he would choose, for us the future would look an awful lot less bright in my opinion, for our club at least.

I don't want Klopp out, I think that's a ludicrous idea. But I'm tired of this picking of random periods of time just to suit specific arguments.

This is the team Dalglish fielded the last time we won the league title.



We scored 78 goals and conceded 37

Pld 38, Won 23, Drew 10, Lost 5

Points 79

Villa came second on 70 points

Last season we

Pld 38, Won 22, Drew 10, Lost 6

Scoring 78 and conceding 42 and finished on 76 points

Agreed and part of the problem is that Jürgen came in part way through a season, he took us to two finals and then in his first full season he delivers CL footy. The problem being that I think people judge Jürgen's time here as much longer than it really is and I also think our manager is taking it in the neck from all angles for showing the loyalty he's always professed to show.

Jürgen is trying to do what those who'd seen him before suggested he would and that's try to coach players rather that simply buy xyz and be done with it. It's as he suggests "a different way", now that will be laughed at right now in terms of Lovren and Klavan but there are players who've shown real improvement under Jürgen and continue to do so. Players such as Trent/Woodburn etc will all be given the chance that most coaches would never dream of giving them and in the long run we will get huge benefits from it but the lack of patience from people right now, is honestly just a poor reflection on them and the way society has gone as a whole.

It's the now generation, everything has to be delivered on a plate for an audience of petulant kids who think for some reason they deserve to get it all given to them without any real effort and I must admit I find it repulsive. Show some patience, love what used to be great about the game, watching players come through and get better and better until we dominate the league with a team we've built, I can't express how good that would feel to knock all the oil rich cu*ts who are ripping the soul out of this game to sit on top and show them there is a way that their money can't reproduce. To do that though there will be moments where frustration will have to be swallowed and anger quelled.

We have the choice which way we go with this, for Jürgen it would be a simple trip back home to Germany to manage any club he would choose, for us the future would look an awful lot less bright in my opinion, for our club at least.

Confirmed Danny Ward will start in goal.

Klopp will only get fired if we drop to 9th or worse or if we don't make CL two seasons in a row. He's safe. They'd be dumb to cut him off after extending his contract, after chasing him for years, after seeing his project having some prospect (remember last year, beginning of the season?).

I hope FSG stands firm to Klopp and lets him have some down times.

Also don't forget: All fan issues are so obvious that an expert like Klopp most certainly will know about it which leads to the conclusion that there might be a dimension we don't see. For instance, many seem not to understand that Klopp likes to develop players instead of buying them. That explains why he's still hanging on Moreno - he thinks Moreno can get better by his own, but it takes time, time - I hope - he gets. We have waited so long, some more years won't kill us.

People seem to forget all too easily how far we've come since Klopp took over from Rodgers. There was a picture posted recently of the team that was playing the Real Madrid game. Just compare the two squads. Our current one is full of young, talented, quality players. It's a work in progress and we're getting awfully close to the finished product. Sadly enough, the words 'patience' and 'time' aren't words most people want to hear anymore.

Klopp is here to build something and he started two years ago, all the way down from the academy up to the coaching staff. He brought in some of the world's best dietitians, physical coaches, ... The results are there for everyone to see: we're one of the fittest teams I've ever seen. He only just started his second full season here, bringing us back to the CL in his first full season. That alone, given the squad he had and the injuries he had to deal with, is a bloody miracle. Has he used the transfer windows to his full advantage? Possibly not. Though seeing as he's here for the longterm, I'd rather him wait and get the player he wants than bring in a short term solution. That solves nothing long term.

The only thing missing from the current team, is its spine and due to different reasons and circumstances, he is yet to bring in the players for his spine. Van Dijk and Keita would make a massive difference to the stability of the team. Looking at a spine of Karius (yes, I believe he'll be a good goalkeeper) - Van Dijk - Keita - Firmino is pretty promising. Surround them with quality in the likes of Lallana, Mane, Salah, Matip, Coutinho, ... And those are the makings of a brilliant team.

I remember being laughed out of the room for suggesting it wasn't as easy as it seems to improve on Lovren for example. Yet Klopp says exactly that and even admits looking at players several posters on here thought could do the job. Apparently, countless of hours watching them made him decide otherwise. It was a good interview and it shows the kind of man he is. It's sad that most fans treat players as if they were numbers these days. Luckily enough, he does see them as humans, humans who can improve by training them. I believe in that process.

And f**k me, Klopp doesn't know how to set up a defence? Our team is one of the best around at defending as a unit. We're one of the best teams around in keeping the opposition out of our own box, in limiting the amount of shots they have. Do we concede too many goals from the shots we do allow? We sure do. That is not down to the system we're playing though, as Klopp says and Luke has pointed out  a few times before, it's down to these things:

1. Communication
2. Concentration
3. Tracking runners

Are these things down to the system? They're small mistakes by individuals. Was De Boer at fault because Lee wasn't concentrated and gave that bad backpass? Is Klopp at fault, is his system at fault because Lovren misses a clearance? All these things, the mistakes our players make, are down to these things. A few examples:

Watford's second goal: switch off, don't track the runner (Henderson and Can)
Watford's third goal: Wijnaldum fails to clear it
Hoffenheim away goal: Trent switches off and doesn't play to the whistle
Hoffenheim home first goal: Poor pass by Henderson, everyone out of position
Sevilla first goal: Lovren fails to clear it
Sevilla second goal: Can switches off and doesn't track the runner

Those are just a few examples. They have nothing to do with the system or Klopp being able to set up a defence. They are individual mistakes, mistakes that can be avoided by training and work on the training pitch. Our team's average age is also very young, people also seem to forget that. They still have a few years to go before most of them reach peak fitness and age. We're going to see many more mistakes this season, but I don't really mind. Klopp will keep improving us and the players.

The fact that some idiots are already coming out with "he has to do this, he has to improve that, bla bla bla or he'll be gone" is absolutely ridiculous. The day that the mass gets the upper hand and manages to get Klopp out, will be the day I stop believing.

Oh and one more thing, 99% of the pundits should shut their f**king mouth, they haven't got a clue what they're on about and are still stuck in the 90's and 00's. Times have changed, football has changed. They can f**k off.

'It's a circus' - Liverpool fan tears into Klopp on 606

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05gb005