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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2024: Aug 09, 2017 09:30:42 pm
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      Reply #2025: Aug 10, 2017 12:49:17 am
      Eighth in the league and a cup final they deserved to win wasn't exactly a bad effort last year, but it didn't save Puel.

      Saints are a team that will need continued amounts of savvy in their youth development and transfer policy just to stay at that level.

      They must regard us in much the same way as we regard Barce. Absolute c*nts who keep nicking their best players

      Good point, however, why don't we stop nicking the players and just nab the scouts!??
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2026: Aug 10, 2017 06:04:41 pm
      Giving up on Keita and now this.

      Great summer window we are having.  :roll:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/28/southampton-determined-keep-virgil-van-dijk-plan-reintegrate/
      Southampton determined to keep Virgil van Dijk and plan to reintegrate him in squad

      Jeremy Wilson, Deputy Football Correspondent

      28 July 2017 • 4:31pm

      Southampton hope to reintegrate Virgil van Dijk into first-team training next week, with new manager Mauricio Pellegrino preparing to again tell his captain that he will not be sold this summer.

      Van Dijk has been left to train back at the club’s New Forest base while the rest of the squad continue their preparation in France after he was judged not to be in the right of frame of mind but it is understood that the 26-year-old has worked diligently this week on his fitness.

      Southampton’s new board of directors remain adamant that this will be the first summer since the departure of former chairman Nicola Cortese in 2014 in which they will not make major sales. That stance extends to Ryan Bertrand – who has been of interest to Manchester City – as well as Van Dijk.

      The Van Dijk situation blew up early in the transfer window when a series of stories emerged in which it was reported that Van Dijk wanted to join Liverpool due to their manager Jürgen Klopp. That led to a complaint by Southampton over suspicions of direct contact between Van Dijk and Klopp – which would be against Premier League rules – and then an apology from Liverpool and promise that they would not pursue the transfer.

      Southampton remain confident that Van Dijk will accept the situation, not least because any future chance of a move to a club in the Champions League would hardly be helped by a loss of form or any question-marks about his commitment. Van Dijk, whose contract does not expire until 2022, has not played since January following an ankle injury and it was Pellegrino who decided that he should stay outside the group until he was fully committed psychologically. Southampton play St Etienne on Saturday in France before final warm-up fixtures at St Mary’s over the next week against Augsburg and Sevilla.

      As well as keeping Van Dijk and Bertrand, Southampton are looking to make one or two additions and there has been interest in Tottenham’s Kevin Wimmer.   

      The anticipation at the beginning of the transfer window is irrepressible, a consequence of supporting a club with the distinguished history of LFC.
      How long before that flicker of expectation is extinguished completely by our owners?
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2027: Aug 10, 2017 07:16:35 pm
      Van Dijk would be nice, but we should be find alternative targets now. Laporte looks like a good option. He's been wanted by City and Barca in the past.
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      Reply #2028: Aug 10, 2017 09:42:06 pm
      I'm starting to become slightly bewildered by this VVD saga.

      We were - a few weeks back - genuinely interested in him; so interested that Klopp was sharing videos with him of how he'd fit in with the team.

      Southampton then found out and called us out on it. We backed away sheepishly and offered an apology for something that every club does (Barcelona are doing to one of our players right at this very moment).

      Since then the player has become - for whatever reason - separated from the rest of the Southampton squad and is not likely to play for them again.

      At this stage, I assumed that we were waiting for him to make a formal transfer request so we could justifiably put in another bid for him. Klopp then makes a statement saying that he is no longer looking for another defender. Given that he was Skypeing Van Dijk just a few weeks previously I read that as PR spin to try and get Van Dijk to put in a transfer request: I can't see why he'd suddenly change his plans and decide that the options he presumably thought back in June were not good enough, suddenly are good enough. That doesn't add up to me, so I assumed it was more of a nudge to Van Dijk to push for an exit out of Southampton.

      Van Dijk obviously saw it this way too because 24 hours later he puts out a pretty scathing statement that not only says he wants to leave but completely burns all of his bridges with Southampton's manager and the board there. He's genuinely done all he can do to make this move happen.

      Since then ... well, nothing has happened. I'm starting to worry that Klopp genuinely believes that we have half a chance of competing in the Champions League and going for the Premier League with the likes of Klavan playing at the back.

      So, to summarise:
      - There's no doubt that Van Dijk is real quality and would make us a better team
      - He would add strength to an area where we have been weak for some time. An area that has cost us many points in matches over the past couple of seasons
      - He wants to join us
      - Staying at his current club is not really an option for him now
      - No other 'top' team seems to be seriously interested

      What are we waiting for? Why has there been no bid for him? It may just be me, but this is an absolute no-brainer and will make it much easier for the likes of Coutinho to stay if he sees us actively signing quality players who want to play for us and are available.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2029: Aug 10, 2017 09:54:28 pm
      I'm starting to become slightly bewildered by this VVD saga.

      We were - a few weeks back - genuinely interested in him; so interested that Klopp was sharing videos with him of how he'd fit in with the team.

      Southampton then found out and called us out on it. We backed away sheepishly and offered an apology for something that every club does (Barcelona are doing to one of our players right at this very moment).

      Since then the player has become - for whatever reason - separated from the rest of the Southampton squad and is not likely to play for them again.

      At this stage, I assumed that we were waiting for him to make a formal transfer request so we could justifiably put in another bid for him. Klopp then makes a statement saying that he is no longer looking for another defender. Given that he was Skypeing Van Dijk just a few weeks previously I read that as PR spin to try and get Van Dijk to put in a transfer request: I can't see why he'd suddenly change his plans and decide that the options he presumably thought back in June were not good enough, suddenly are good enough. That doesn't add up to me, so I assumed it was more of a nudge to Van Dijk to push for an exit out of Southampton.

      Van Dijk obviously saw it this way too because 24 hours later he puts out a pretty scathing statement that not only says he wants to leave but completely burns all of his bridges with Southampton's manager and the board there. He's genuinely done all he can do to make this move happen.

      Since then ... well, nothing has happened. I'm starting to worry that Klopp genuinely believes that we have half a chance of competing in the Champions League and going for the Premier League with the likes of Klavan playing at the back.

      So, to summarise:
      - There's no doubt that Van Dijk is real quality and would make us a better team
      - He would add strength to an area where we have been weak for some time. An area that has cost us many points in matches over the past couple of seasons
      - He wants to join us
      - Staying at his current club is not really an option for him now
      - No other 'top' team seems to be seriously interested

      What are we waiting for? Why has there been no bid for him? It may just be me, but this is an absolute no-brainer and will make it much easier for the likes of Coutinho to stay if he sees us actively signing quality players who want to play for us and are available.

      Whatever happens we won't know until it is done one way or another...no official bid is going to go in until they have already agreed upon a deal.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2030: Aug 10, 2017 10:05:05 pm
      Whatever happens we won't know until it is done one way or another...no official bid is going to go in until they have already agreed upon a deal.

      Do you actually think there's any dialogue between us and Southampton at the moment? There's a lot of reports going around that they are close to despising us ... Le Tissier keeps on posting snarky tweets about us ... I suspect there's some substance to it. I'm not sure there's any talk going on behind the scenes
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      Reply #2031: Aug 10, 2017 10:07:25 pm
      Do you actually think there's any dialogue between us and Southampton at the moment? There's a lot of reports going around that they are close to despising us ... Le Tissier keeps on posting snarky tweets about us ... I suspect there's some substance to it. I'm not sure there's any talk going on behind the scenes

      If there is no talk then no deal is going to happen.
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      Reply #2032: Aug 10, 2017 11:38:02 pm
      If there is no talk then no deal is going to happen.

      but how can there be no talk, why the f**k are we not bidding for him or talking with Southampton? Do Southampton have some dirt on us that could really harm us, or do Southampton genuinely want to have their captain sitting in the stands all season and face all manner of lawsuits and recriminations.

      I simply cannot make this add up in anyway because the reality is that Southampton have a player who we want very much who refuses to play for them. Irrespective of their feelings towards us, which are also a complete mystery btw, they surely have to sell the player, nothing else makes any sense, certainly not from a financial point of view.
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      Reply #2033: Aug 10, 2017 11:41:23 pm
      I simply cannot make this add up in anyway.

      I cannot either...but suffice to say if they won't talk at all then were not going to bid because they will take the offer and toss it in the bin when they see who it came from.

      Conversely if we are talking nobody is going to here about a deal until its already done.

      Quite a few clubs this year shooting themselves in the foot it's not like Soton or RBL are going to build into anything more than they are and I would have to believe younger players and agents are looking at them under a different way then they used to.
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      Reply #2034: Aug 11, 2017 07:53:13 am
      Some suggestions out there that were waiting until the first round of league games have been completed before we submit a bid, probably to see if Saints name him in their match day squad and if VVD rules himself out I can only presume, If it is indeed true.
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      Reply #2035: Aug 11, 2017 08:12:24 am
      If Virgil genuinely only wants to play for Liverpool and Southampton will eventually let him go and entertain bids from clubs then they have to sell to us don't they? If they receive a bid let's say from Chelsea of 60m and accept it and we match it they can't just say no to us because they don't like us. I'm sure there are rules that apply to favour the player here.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2036: Aug 11, 2017 08:12:46 am
      Some suggestions out there that were waiting until the first round of league games have been completed before we submit a bid, probably to see if Saints name him in their match day squad and if VVD rules himself out I can only presume, If it is indeed true.

      Typical of our current transfer strategy.

      If we can compete then just pay the F***ing fee and stop dicking about.
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      Reply #2037: Aug 11, 2017 08:48:52 am
      I cannot either...but suffice to say if they won't talk at all then were not going to bid because they will take the offer and toss it in the bin when they see who it came from.

      Conversely if we are talking nobody is going to here about a deal until its already done.

      Quite a few clubs this year shooting themselves in the foot it's not like Soton or RBL are going to build into anything more than they are and I would have to believe younger players and agents are looking at them under a different way then they used to.

      This is surely nothing more than sour grapes.

      Players are attracted by the allure to make money in a short period of time when their career is viable, and it is the same in every sport. Take a look at something like Basketball, a poor team will draft a really good player if their pick is high, get them on a rookie contract. Three or four years down, they will offer the player a maximum deal that he would be dumb to turn down, because it is guaranteed money. It gives the team another 5 years, three or four of which they can try and build a contending team around this player with the addition of several more stars.

      In football, it is the same thing that happens. Young players come from unknown teams or continents all looking to make money and this is not something that will change because a club has refused to sell players to bigger teams.

      Players are going to Spurs, and will continue to do so because they offer good wages; they are not in the same class as a Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Chelsea or United, but they are a class above most other teams in the world. Arsenal this window have refused to sell any of their stars, with the risk that they may lose them for nothing the next summer, and this is not something that will stop players from moving there.

      A player earning €15,000 will move to a team where he can earn €30,000 to €40,000 and try and get to a top team where he can earn four or five times that in time. That is the conveyor belt. At the same time, teams that sign these players also have to keep them for some time so that they can maximize their earning potential off a sale; that is the way the finances in football work.

      The way some fans have been behaving, one would almost think that it is a right for this outfit to get some of these players, and if that is not something that happens, then a great injustice has occurred. The reality is this, Leipzig always had the upper hand because the player was contracted to them, and they only bought him last season, Southampton were always in the driving seat because they gave Van Dijk a huge contract extension that has 5 years left to run. In the same regard, Liverpool can choose to not sell Coutinho this season, or the next three because there is no pressure after the long term contract extension he signed.

      This at the end of the day is the bitter truth.
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      Reply #2038: Aug 11, 2017 08:53:58 am
      If Virgil genuinely only wants to play for Liverpool and Southampton will eventually let him go and entertain bids from clubs then they have to sell to us don't they? If they receive a bid let's say from Chelsea of 60m and accept it and we match it they can't just say no to us because they don't like us. I'm sure there are rules that apply to favour the player here.
      There is no such law, and if you want some type of clarity, go look up what happened between Gabriel Heinze, Liverpool and Manchester United.
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      Reply #2039: Aug 11, 2017 09:45:53 am
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      Reply #2040: Aug 11, 2017 10:03:34 am
      This deal should have been done and dusted a long time ago.

      Just another farce to add to our transfer windows.

      Now, we've resorted to playing cat and mouse this late in the day.

       :f_bluelight:
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2041: Aug 11, 2017 10:08:40 am
      VVD must be loving life. He puts in a request, he's ostracized by his current club, and STILL we don't bid for him. We may well end up getting him, (obviously not match fit, once the season has already started, unavailable for the first month etc) but I wonder if the next time we let a player know we want him whether they'll also be willing to go out on a limb for us.

      The way we treat people, the player we're looking at, the selling club etc is so lacking in class, so removed from what we were always about, it's as beyond belief as it is saddening.
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      Reply #2042: Aug 11, 2017 10:17:39 am
      VVD must be loving life. He puts in a request, he's ostracized by his current club, and STILL we don't bid for him. We may well end up getting him, (obviously not match fit, once the season has already started, unavailable for the first month etc) but I wonder if the next time we let a player know we want him whether they'll also be willing to go out on a limb for us.

      The way we treat people, the player we're looking at, the selling club etc is so lacking in class, so removed from what we were always about, it's as beyond belief as it is saddening.

      This.
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      Reply #2043: Aug 11, 2017 10:29:32 am
      I'm hearing that FSG are issuing a statement to confirm that Van Dijk will be a member of Liverpool Football Club when the summer window closes.

       ;D

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      Reply #2044: Aug 11, 2017 10:31:26 am
      VVD must be loving life. He puts in a request, he's ostracized by his current club, and STILL we don't bid for him. We may well end up getting him, (obviously not match fit, once the season has already started, unavailable for the first month etc) but I wonder if the next time we let a player know we want him whether they'll also be willing to go out on a limb for us.

      The way we treat people, the player we're looking at, the selling club etc is so lacking in class, so removed from what we were always about, it's as beyond belief as it is saddening.

      It will be disgusting if FSG burn him after this.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2045: Aug 11, 2017 10:32:06 am
      Jürgen clearly wants him.

      We've barely spent any money this summer so we can bid big.

      It's beyond me why we're still not making any offer with the season starting tomorrow.
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      Re: Virgil Van Dijk (Southampton)
      Reply #2046: Aug 11, 2017 10:35:56 am
      Jürgen clearly wants him.

      We've barely spent any money this summer so we can bid big.

      It's beyond me why we're still not making any offer with the season starting tomorrow.

      Started the Summer with £200 million to burn. We're still waiting for that statement signing we've been waiting for since they took over. It's alright though, Klopp will be telling the press Phil is like having a new signing.

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