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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #23230: Sep 01, 2017 10:06:49 pm
      Like we did last season  in the run in?

      Another one saying klopp's approach cant be done?

      I'd rather enjoy it and think it can

      I'd rather challenge for the title.

      Don't get me wrong the odd 5-4 is fine but also losing by the same amount is certainly not enjoyable.

      Not sure where everyone has got this idea that Klopp is so gung ho and you have to accept goals being shipped in
      Look at his teams that won the Bundesliga, they were rock solid defensively.

      I think it's more likely he still hasn't got the players transitioning properly between attack and defence.
      The set piece nonsense would also get sorted sooner if he brought in a defensive leader but the trajectory from last year looks good so I reckon we are getting on top of these simple errors.

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      Reply #23231: Sep 01, 2017 10:08:20 pm
      When has it been proved wrong that a team with a bad defence can win the league?

      I have never ever seen a team win the league who had a questionable defence

      And ours is beyond questionable its piss poor

      The... more.... goals.... you.... let.... in... the.... worse.... your.... defence..... is.

      3.... times.... a....team.... has.... let.... in.... more.... goals.... than.... we.... did... last.... season.... and.... they...still.... won... the... league.

      If you don't get that. You're a lost cause. Bye.



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      Reply #23232: Sep 01, 2017 10:12:14 pm
      I'd rather challenge for the title.

      Don't get me wrong the odd 5-4 is fine but also losing by the same amount is certainly not enjoyable.

      Not sure where everyone has got this idea that Klopp is so gung ho and you have to accept goals being shipped in
      Look at his teams that won the Bundesliga, they were rock solid defensively.

      I think it's more likely he still hasn't got the players transitioning properly between attack and defence.
      The set piece nonsense would also get sorted sooner if he brought in a defensive leader but the trajectory from last year looks good so I reckon we are getting on top of these simple errors.

      Where have I said gung ho?

      I think we're pretty balanced and saying that our defence isn't as bad as made out. Bourne out by the last dozen or so games.

      The first 3 months of the season backs that up too, apart from we were far more clinical.
      Others are saying we have an awful back 4.. I disagree. 
      I think Klopp  is developing the side nicely.
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      Reply #23233: Sep 01, 2017 10:14:37 pm
      The... more.... goals.... you.... let.... in... the.... worse.... your.... defence..... is.

      3.... times.... a....team.... has.... let.... in.... more.... goals.... than.... we.... did... last.... season.... and.... they...still.... won... the... league.

      If you don't get that. You're a lost cause. Bye.





      It's hard to disagree with such an articulate argument.




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      Reply #23234: Sep 01, 2017 10:22:18 pm
      Where have I said gung ho?

      I think we're pretty balanced and saying that our defence isn't as bad as made out. Bourne out by the last dozen or so games.

      The first 3 months of the season backs that up too, apart from we were far more clinical.
      Others are saying we have an awful back 4.. I disagree. 
      I think Klopp  is developing the sude nicely.

      Erm not sure we are all that balanced attack is definitely better than defence.

      Our run in last season to ensure we got Top 4 was at the detriment of our attacking play.
      Even against Watford the Hoff games we are giving up easy opportunities.

      But like I said earlier the trajectory is good.
      Gini, Can and Hendo with the instincts of attacking players are getting better at the defensive side of the game, because boy does Lovren need the cover  ;D

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      Reply #23235: Sep 01, 2017 10:49:04 pm
      The fact that they didn't bend over to Barcelona is a very big plus for them. Well done.
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      Reply #23236: Sep 01, 2017 11:32:04 pm
      Salah, Keita and Robertson for sure and maybe Alex so almost all.
      Clint, Keita is next season, Moreno as so far been getting the nod before Robertson, and Can't see the Ox starting regularly a head of Gini,Can and Henderson barring injury... so that only leaves Salah
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      Reply #23237: Sep 01, 2017 11:37:58 pm
      I know I wouldn't be too happy if Aurier walked into a dressing room, wonder what it'll do for moral.

      Let's see how they do, I'm guessing we'll be ahead of both, if you think otherwise feel free to go buy a white or blue top
      I don't supporter a team because i feel they will do better than us, I am a Liverpool FC supporter, but at the same time it does not stop me seeing where the Club,Owners or Manager has made errors, or see where other teams have improved their squads
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      Reply #23238: Sep 02, 2017 12:54:59 am
      Sort of proves my point, do you remember how we were set up for the 2010 season?

      Like this........



      Yeah, fsg have done sh*t.

      You can see why I picked that summer to get married and go on honeymoon.  Was a huge and needed distraction.
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      Reply #23239: Sep 02, 2017 01:30:13 am
      Sort of proves my point, do you remember how we were set up for the 2010 season?

      Like this........



      Yeah, fsg have done sh*t.

      The trophy cabinet gives your assertion some weight Ian.
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      Reply #23240: Sep 02, 2017 06:40:54 am
      I don't supporter a team because i feel they will do better than us, I am a Liverpool FC supporter, but at the same time it does not stop me seeing where the Club,Owners or Manager has made errors, or see where other teams have improved their squads

      Fair
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      Reply #23241: Sep 02, 2017 08:26:35 am
      Clint, Keita is next season, Moreno as so far been getting the nod before Robertson, and Can't see the Ox starting regularly a head of Gini,Can and Henderson barring injury... so that only leaves Salah

      Salah is a first teamer, we agree. Robertson is just being transitioned but he will be first teamer in no time. Alex will be used as rotational player, just like Milner but younger and quicker. Keita, we could not do anymore with his transfer.
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      Reply #23242: Sep 02, 2017 09:53:24 am
      FSG are this largest divisive factor for this football club. For that reason alone I wouldn't be sad to see the back of them.

      Yeah bring back the previous owners and Hodgson.
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      Reply #23243: Sep 02, 2017 12:00:04 pm
      The trophy cabinet gives your assertion some weight Ian.


      So Spurs are light years behind us then?
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      Reply #23244: Sep 02, 2017 12:20:23 pm

      How much weight does my sarcasm achieve Stu?
      Weight enough to illicit a response mate.

      So Spurs are light years behind us then?

      The spuds are of no consequence mate and certainly of no interest.
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      Reply #23245: Sep 02, 2017 02:04:16 pm
      I'm okay with going in to the season with what we have. I think we now have depth in the full back positions and in midfield and more depth in the forward positions.

      I really hope though that in January we are busier than what we were last timw around.

      We were in a good position last year and we can be in a good position this time too.

      Where our season really collapsed was when we had absentees the squad folded and we crashed out of all the cups and out of the title race.

      Hope that if we are in that position again this season we look to strengthen to maintain a good start.

      Every transfer window is an opportunity to improve the squad.
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      Reply #23246: Sep 02, 2017 02:29:58 pm
      I'm okay with going in to the season with what we have. I think we now have depth in the full back positions and in midfield and more depth in the forward positions.

      I really hope though that in January we are busier than what we were last timw around.

      We were in a good position last year and we can be in a good position this time too.

      Where our season really collapsed was when we had absentees the squad folded and we crashed out of all the cups and out of the title race.

      Hope that if we are in that position again this season we look to strengthen to maintain a good start.

      Every transfer window is an opportunity to improve the squad.

      Wouldn't you envisage our season being derailed once again by a lack of quality in depth?
      FSG rarely allow signings in the January window, the frailties that exist in the CB, defence and goalkeeping areas of play will present problems as will absent key players due to injury, internationals etc.

      The lack of strength in depth is a consequence of false economies over the 8 years FSG have been in situ, one excellent signing in Salah, Robertson and Solanke potentially good players and a promise of Keita next year hardly address 8 years of erosion within the side.

      Hoping for January signings is futile and contradicts stated satisfaction for things as they stand.

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      Reply #23247: Sep 02, 2017 03:41:39 pm
      Wouldn't you envisage our season being derailed once again by a lack of quality in depth?
      FSG rarely allow signings in the January window, the frailties that exist in the CB, defence and goalkeeping areas of play will present problems as will absent key players due to injury, internationals etc.

      The lack of strength in depth is a consequence of false economies over the 8 years FSG have been in situ, one excellent signing in Salah, Robertson and Solanke potentially good players and a promise of Keita next year hardly address 8 years of erosion within the side.

      Hoping for January signings is futile and contradicts stated satisfaction for things as they stand.



      I think in essence we agree Stuey. Last year we were short but managed to get to January in contention for all the trophies. By the end of January we were out of everything.

      My point is that Fenway (and Klopp) will probably have to scrap their 'no buying in the january sales' policy otherwise we will get a repeat of last season.

      This squad can get us to January, but all that January nonsense (it really was nonsense last season and the proof was in the results) has seriously got to stop.
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      Reply #23248: Sep 02, 2017 04:07:34 pm
      I think in essence we agree Stuey. Last year we were short but managed to get to January in contention for all the trophies. By the end of January we were out of everything.

      My point is that Fenway (and Klopp) will probably have to scrap their 'no buying in the january sales' policy otherwise we will get a repeat of last season.

      This squad can get us to January, but all that January nonsense (it really was nonsense last season and the proof was in the results) has seriously got to stop.

      Exactly mate, with a bit of luck we will be in contention when Jan rolls around and there will be an opportunity to strengthen, otherwise as you say we face the disappointment of season's past.
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      Reply #23249: Sep 02, 2017 04:36:32 pm
      OK

      How many of our defenders would of made the Man u side in those three years?

      Possibly one




      Eddie....im sure I seen your name on the side of a loaf earlier...but when I looked again it said ...Thick Cu.t !....

      ....give it up Eddie your pissing against the wind ?

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      Eddie....im sure I seen your name on the side of a loaf earlier...but when I looked again it said ...Thick Cu.t !....

      ....give it up Eddie your pissing against the wind ?

      YNWA
      When you say pissing against the wind is that due to the fact that the people I'm in a discussion with will never admit we have a poor defence?



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      Reply #23251: Sep 03, 2017 09:17:21 am
      When you say pissing against the wind is that due to the fact that the people I'm in a discussion with will never admit we have a poor defence?



      Literally everyone you've been arguing with will say we don't have the best defence. You are completely twisting the argument and what it was about. You claimed it was impossible to win the league with a defence like ours, the argument was never over the quality of the defence, it was about the ability to win the league with said quality. Nobody debated the quality, not once.
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      Reply #23252: Sep 03, 2017 09:40:06 am
      You can see why I picked that summer to get married and go on honeymoon.  Was a huge and needed distraction.

      Likely the best acquisition by anyone in red that off season really. Holiday as a signing signing bonus as well? Very shrewd business Mr JD.

      The trophy cabinet gives your assertion some weight Ian.


      If you look at how the Premier League has shifted from a 3-4 team league to a genuine 6-team at least (and that's not counting F***ing Leicester's WTF year) then there is some logical reason to that, being that right when Spurs and City started becoming larger threats we were in the midst of a massive shift in our house with ownership change, the owners giving Kenny a season to try it out again etc. There's an old philosophy that my old man has with sheep farming from our days as graziers - it takes 10x longer to fatten a sheep healthily than the 4-5 days it can take for a sheep to drop in condition due to severe malnourishment. We tumbled down as far as those few seasons were concerned, right at the time City, Spurs etc were gearing up. The journey back to the top takes much longer, especially if trying to do it based on a foundation of being stable rather than just flushing the team full of expensive signings. I have my doubts with some FSG decisions at times, but overall I feel they want to leave us in good shape, whenever they decide to do so. They wouldn't bother with the massive task of Anfield redevelopment if not, and certainly wouldn't turn down that Coutinho money.

      Speaking of Coutinho - for all those that think that FSG are in this to rip money from the club and nothing more, how do you justify the Coutinho decision? His value will never be higher than this summer. Next year he'll be a year less on his contract, could possibly seriously injure himself, who knows. Maybe transfers will massively inflate again, but then we'll also be spending more anyway so that will be somewhat negated. As far as selling an asset goes, the profit margin that they could enjoy from PC may never be better. Just a musing on my part is all, not sure why they didn't sell if all they are is a soulless vulture picking at a carcass as some like to believe.

      When you say pissing against the wind is that due to the fact that the people I'm in a discussion with will never admit we have a poor defence?





      Blind men can see we haven't been good defensively for years. I think you're missing the point of those you're discussing with - as you have a solid habit of doing.

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