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      Reply #2576: Aug 20, 2017 10:16:47 pm
      Like a lot of stats they mean absolutely f**k all , doesn't take into account the defence in front , types of saves etc

      I think there are enough stats there to paint a fairly comprehensive comparison of the two. It's up to Simon to drastically improve those figures. History suggests he won't but maybe at the 5th season of asking he will.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2577: Aug 20, 2017 10:26:01 pm
      Lloris is over-rated in my opinion.......but still better than Migs all day long.
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      Reply #2578: Aug 20, 2017 10:32:11 pm

      Give me examples. How many times did he have a shocker last season? Hull away springs out can't think of many more. Lloris is f***in shocking hes damn lucky he plays in front of the defence he does at Spurs

      Come off it.

      Migs may well be the worst keeper in the league. He does not make enough saves end of. If a team has 2 shots on target it is statistically proven that simple Simon will let one in. I cannot name examples because it's such a regular performance just pick a random game we conceded and chances are Simon has something to do with it.

      He can't save shots that aren't just routine. He cannot catch a ball unless there is absolutely zero pressure on him. He cannot kick a ball to a target at all. He is a F***ing pussy in his own box. How dare you even mention Lloris and Mignolet in the same breath, it's not even close to being close between them.

      After being dropped last season he came back and strung together a string of average performances that left people not furious with him. Even still, he had one of the worst shots on target to goals conceded ratio in the league and on of the worst pass distribution success rates on top of that. Sure he may have gotten better in terms of errors leading to goals, but that's only because he's clearly been told to never try to pass it short (because he can't) meaning we lose the ball half the time Simon puts his boot on it. Also we are paying for his ability (or lack there of) to catch. He punches everything now that we've figured out when he tries to catch under pressure, he'll drop the b***ard ball. Now instead he punches it away and the opposition comes right back at us.

      He's just sh*te, I'd have every other starting keeping in this league over him any day. After his show against Watford, I'm just done with him, no amount of bog standard showing after bog standard showing can convince me otherwise now. 2 years ago he cost us 15 points himself ( http://www.empireofthekop.com/2016/02/08/shocking-stat-shows-where-liverpool-would-be-in-pl-without-mignolet-mistakes/ )
      Last year he got dropped, came back into the team with a simple game that was meant to hide his weaknesses and rely on his strengths, his shot stopping ability. He had a worse saves per goals conceded than: Courtois, Lloris, Caballero, Cech, De Gea, Robles, Steklenburg, Foster, Boruc, Adrian, Hennassey, Fabianski, Valdes, Pickford and even less than Stojković... Who is that you ask? He was Nottingham Forrest's starting goalkeeper and they nearly got relegated from the Championship, conceding 72 goals in the process, the second worst in the league.

      But yea, you'd have him ahead of Lloris. Good one.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2579: Aug 20, 2017 10:53:08 pm
      Behave yourself, Migs and Lloris last 2 seasons:

      Lloris saves per goal 2016/17: 2.78
      Migs saves per goal 2016/17: 1.5
      Squaka performance score Lloris 862.73
      Squaka performance score Migs 364.81

      Lloris saves per goal 2015/16: 2.13
      Migs saves per goal 2015/16: 1.27
      Squaka performance score Lloris: 656.77
      Squaka performance score Migs: 114.88

      He's got better and better to the point he's right up there with the best in the league now, Migs has regressed if anything and is below average at best.

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      I'm not trying to claim Migs is a superstar I've been his biggest critic in the past but in front of an ever changing back 4 that gets limited midfield protection he's definitely improved.
      Mignolet 228 PL appearances 74 clean sheets 16 errors leading to goals
      Lloris 172 PL appearances 60 clean sheets 10 errors leading to goals
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2580: Aug 20, 2017 11:04:43 pm
      I'm not trying to claim Migs is a superstar I've been his biggest critic in the past but in front of an ever changing back 4 that gets limited midfield protection he's definitely improved.
      Mignolet 228 PL appearances 74 clean sheets 16 errors leading to goals
      Lloris 172 PL appearances 60 clean sheets 10 errors leading to goals

      To that I'd say that the style of keeping Lloris adopts is prone to more errors, he sweeps far higher and is willing to risk more to gain more. It's another reason Spurs concede so few goals because they are able to play such a high line. Migs doesn't afford us that luxury yet still his errors which lead to goals (as Mags posted) led the league.

      So I'm not sure that defence holds any water when truly examined.

      Put simply, Lloris risks more to gain more, Migs plays it as far from taking responsibility as he can. Such as corners, he doesn't come to claim these days, you can't make an error if you do nothing!



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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2581: Aug 20, 2017 11:12:13 pm
      Fact is, he needs upgrading
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      Reply #2582: Aug 20, 2017 11:17:03 pm
      To that I'd say that the style of keeping Lloris adopts is prone to more errors, he sweeps far higher and is willing to risk more to gain more. It's another reason Spurs concede so few goals because they are able to play such a high line. Migs doesn't afford us that luxury yet still his errors which lead to goals (as Mags posted) led the league.

      So I'm not sure that defence holds any water when truly examined.

      Put simply, Lloris risks more to gain more, Migs plays it as far from taking responsibility as he can. Such as corners, he doesn't come to claim these days, you can't make an error if you do nothing!





      I take your points there is some truth in them. If your Simon Mignolet reading this a few days after saving a penalty in the CL and keeping a clean sheet in the PL you're thinking you can't win, he's been relatively solid past 12 months and it's because he's not taking coming for things or not being a sweeper keeper or not playing it out from the back etc.
      My view is he is our number 1 for this season so especially at Anfield let's get off his back, the groaning and huffing and puffing you see, often completely unnecessary serves no one
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      Reply #2583: Aug 20, 2017 11:29:51 pm
      My view is he is our number 1 for this season so especially at Anfield let's get off his back, the groaning and huffing and puffing you see, often completely unnecessary serves no one

      Nah, he can hop into the match threads and see how I rate him. Last few months of last season his scores were consistently in the 6/7 range (I'm happy enough whenever a player hits 7). Even against Palace he got a 7 and against Hoffenheim he got a 7 and truthfully he earned little of that for the pen save because it was probably one of the worst pens I've seen. But, aside from an early brain fart where he did leave his box and they took a quick throw to a near open goal which the attacker couldn't control the the throw-in thankfully he did very well.

      Counter that with Watford where he was a shambles and it's been a typical Mignolet season. Rarely will he save us points but too often he will cost us them and that should never be the theme with your keeper, it should be the complete opposite.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2584: Aug 20, 2017 11:39:39 pm


      Counter that with Watford where he was a shambles and it's been a typical Mignolet season. Rarely will he save us points but too often he will cost us them and that should never be the theme with your keeper, it should be the complete opposite.



      What are picking on from the Watford game? Don't think he can do anything on first 2. Doesn't cover himself in glory for the 3rd but he'd have been fully expecting Gini to put his head through it. All 3 of those instances Lloris doesn't even face because his team can defend a set piece and don't have a space cadet frequenting the left back position.
      Btw on the pen he is clever lulls the player into thinking he can score by dinking it down the middle


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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2585: Aug 20, 2017 11:47:53 pm
      Lloris.  :lmao:

      I'd sooner have their defence than their keeper, that's for sure.



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      Reply #2586: Aug 20, 2017 11:50:26 pm


      What are picking on from the Watford game? Don't think he can do anything on first 2. Doesn't cover himself in glory for the 3rd but he'd have been fully expecting Gini to put his head through it. All 3 of those instances Lloris doesn't even face because his team can defend a set piece and don't have a space cadet frequenting the left back position.
      Btw on the pen he is clever lulls the player into thinking he can score by dinking it down the middle




      First goal is scored from 4 yards out a few yards past the near post, wouldn't you expect your keeper to command that area from a corner, or at least compete with the attacker for the ball? I would and did. Secondly it hits him and goes in, fair enough the lad makes great contact and it's a tough ask to save it, but if you're not going to compete for the header and you're not going to save it why are you even in the goal? Is he expecting the defence to do absolutely everything there?

      Second goal, he literally goes to ground without a shot being made. He goes on the actions of Lukaku, slightly understandable but a good keeper reacts to the ball not to the actions of a player. Lukaku misses it and Mignolet, again, is irrelevant!

      Third goal he is absolutely useless, he gets bullied by the man in the area, he isn't strong enough to do anything but punch a ball that is going away from goal onto the bar and then does nothing to stop the striker scoring. I mean it was a total sh*t show on this goal from him. Pushing the blame onto Gini is honestly irrelevant if you're just judging Simon. Ignore Gini's complete F**k up and just watch Mignolet as we're discussing him, not good enough, not even close.

      In this match he also managed to shout "keepers!" to which Lovren ducked and Simon spilled the ball, luckily getting away with the error. You call, you take command, that simple.

      He kicked a goal kick straight out of play.

      He also rolled the ball out of the box directly to the opposition.

      Now other than that he was also pretty sh*te at everything else but that's what I remember vividly and to refresh the memories:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdlj_SJ6LuA
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      Reply #2587: Aug 21, 2017 12:02:19 am
      First goal is scored from 4 yards out a few yards past the near post, wouldn't you expect your keeper to command that area from a corner, or at least compete with the attacker for the ball? I would and did. Secondly it hits him and goes in, fair enough the lad makes great contact and it's a tough ask to save it, but if you're not going to compete for the header and you're not going to save it why are you even in the goal? Is he expecting the defence to do absolutely everything there?

      Second goal, he literally goes to ground without a shot being made. He goes on the actions of Lukaku, slightly understandable but a good keeper reacts to the ball not to the actions of a player. Lukaku misses it and Mignolet, again, is irrelevant!

      Third goal he is absolutely useless, he gets bullied by the man in the area, he isn't strong enough to do anything but punch a ball that is going away from goal onto the bar and then does nothing to stop the striker scoring. I mean it was a total sh*t show on this goal from him. Pushing the blame onto Gini is honestly irrelevant if you're just judging Simon. Ignore Gini's complete f**k up and just watch Mignolet as we're discussing him, not good enough, not even close.

      In this match he also managed to shout "keepers!" to which Lovren ducked and Simon spilled the ball, luckily getting away with the error. You call, you take command, that simple.

      He kicked a goal kick straight out of play.

      He also rolled the ball out of the box directly to the opposition.

      Now other than that he was also pretty sh*te at everything else but that's what I remember vividly and to refresh the memories:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdlj_SJ6LuA

      I think you're a bit on the harsh side here mate but I know where you're coming from it wasn't great but he's got some credit in the bank with me willing to get behind him
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2588: Aug 24, 2017 08:02:36 pm
      Should have saved both goals last night. Attempt one he falls to the ground, doesn't move in the direction the ball is going. Attempt two, get his feet in a mess and watches the ball go by him, again doesn't even move in the direction the ball is going. Spills a deflected shot he should be catching off his chest, let's a loose ball slide under him before recovering it, drops the ball under no pressure and again gets lucky and recovers it.

      Worst keeper in the premier league, get him the F**k away from anything with a Liverbird on it. I don't even know if Karius is better, I'd love to see Danny Ward have a crack because right now we are just waiting for this clown to make another game costing mistake like he did against Watford. Damage control Jürgen please, remove him before it's too late.

      EDIT: Oh yea and he also 'saved' a shot going 2 feet wide. Moron
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      Reply #2589: Aug 24, 2017 08:05:31 pm
      Worst keeper in the premier league

      That might be a bit of a stretch there Mags.
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      Reply #2590: Aug 24, 2017 08:07:02 pm
      That might be a bit of a stretch there Mags.

      I'm not sure mate, I've tried to find a keeper with worse passing accuracy and saves per goal conceded. It's real hard to do.
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      Reply #2591: Aug 24, 2017 08:19:15 pm
      I'm not sure mate, I've tried to find a keeper with worse passing accuracy and saves per goal conceded. It's real hard to do.

      Manager been here for 2 years now...He brought in a keeper and recalled Ward; he obviously sees something that others don't.

      Much in the same way as people see Lovren or Moreno, both of which get described as the worst in the league; I think people are seeing what they want to see through each individuals prisim.

      I don't think Migs, Lovren or even Albie are the worst in the league at they're respective positions; these are all elite level footballers...however in reality they are probably all mid-table type players.

      There is no problem having a mid-table player in our squad (you can't have all superstars  every squad is going to have a weakness) however; the issue is when you have those 3 on the pitch at the same time in a defense together.

      To top that off we play such a edge of the knife type football that GK's are going to get really exposed as the full backs push up and holes are going to be exploited.

      I guess what I am saying is if you had 2 good CB's and two good FB's then you can afford a Mignolet.

      If you had a superb GK a good CB and a great LB you could afford a Lovren,

      If you had a great GK and two good CB's you can have a Moreno out there.

      When you have 3 average/fair players at those 3 positions and play this type of football then it can lead to the flying off the rails for 10 minute periods.

      Neither Migs/Lovren or even Moreno are the worst in the league...but 3 average players in this system is 2 average players too many.
      « Last Edit: Aug 24, 2017 08:24:58 pm by AZPatriot »
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #2592: Aug 24, 2017 08:22:26 pm
      How about the Hoffenheim goalie, Baumann, am I really in the minority thinking he is a good goalie?
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      Reply #2593: Aug 24, 2017 08:24:00 pm

      I don't think Mags, Lovren or even Albie are the worst in the league at they're respective positions

      Aw. Cheers pal ;)
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      Reply #2594: Aug 24, 2017 08:24:38 pm
      How about the Hoffenheim goalie, Baumann, am I really in the minority thinking he is a good goalie?

      Don't know nearly enough about him.

      What's he been like in the German league?
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      Reply #2596: Aug 24, 2017 08:26:30 pm
      How about the Hoffenheim goalie, Baumann, am I really in the minority thinking he is a good goalie?

      I think he looked decent..it didn't help his cause that his manager decided to play 3 at the back against us...Kamikaze tactics that.

      As I said in my post above I think our defensive issues lie deeper than who is in goal.
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      Reply #2597: Aug 24, 2017 08:30:18 pm
      Should have saved both goals last night. Attempt one he falls to the ground, doesn't move in the direction the ball is going. Attempt two, get his feet in a mess and watches the ball go by him, again doesn't even move in the direction the ball is going. Spills a deflected shot he should be catching off his chest, let's a loose ball slide under him before recovering it, drops the ball under no pressure and again gets lucky and recovers it.

      Worst keeper in the premier league, get him the f**k away from anything with a Liverbird on it. I don't even know if Karius is better, I'd love to see Danny Ward have a crack because right now we are just waiting for this clown to make another game costing mistake like he did against Watford. Damage control Jürgen please, remove him before it's too late.

      EDIT: Oh yea and he also 'saved' a shot going 2 feet wide. Moron

      3 shots on target for Hoffenheim. 2 goals. Says it all about Mignolet...actually it doesn't because there's a whole lot worse but that's just for starters.
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      Reply #2598: Aug 24, 2017 08:34:39 pm
      Worryingly dodgy still. There was a moment late on yesterday when he fumbled a cross and then almost fumbled it again when he went to collect it.

      We may just have to grin and bear some of these mistakes and hope to f*ck we sign a CB because the manager appears to have nailed his colours to the mast on this one.

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