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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1265: Aug 18, 2017 07:36:44 pm
      He's the kind of player you'd keep on your bench on FIFA and bring on with about ten minutes to go and bag a hat-trick with pure pace.

      Think he'll have a couple of more games to prove himself yet. Just needs to go back to keeping everything simple.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1266: Aug 19, 2017 06:07:38 pm
      Just get rid of Moreno. I don't care about keeping him because he is Coutinho's friend anymore. We will get rid of Coutinho once we have replacements anyway.
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      Reply #1267: Aug 19, 2017 06:09:32 pm
      Just get rid of Moreno. I don't care about keeping him because he is Coutinho's friend anymore. We will get rid of Coutinho once we have replacements anyway.

      Shame we can't get rid of you whilst we're at it.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1268: Aug 19, 2017 06:15:21 pm
      Shame we can't get rid of you whilst we're at it.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1269: Aug 19, 2017 06:18:40 pm
      Shame we can't get rid of you whilst we're at it.

      Heard that the mods have turned down a bid from redcafe
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1270: Aug 19, 2017 06:23:37 pm
      Heard that the mods have turned down a bid from redcafe
      Too many add ons.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1271: Aug 23, 2017 01:23:15 am
      I posted a tactical analysis of the Hoffenheim game in the "Tactics geeks of the world unite..."-thread. (https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,43593.msg2073369.html#new)

      This post, also by BabuYagu, gives some interesting information and food for thought.

      "Our left side is always the pressing trap. (Could be wrong, just speaking from gut feeling watching us). That probably could be flipped but I suspect would require a change of personnel if the case as our right appears far more passive which then defeats the point of a pressing trap. You can´t have a passive ambush :D

      An interesting thing was a discussion we had pre-season. Mane on the left would be good for Moreno because he protects full backs more than Coutinho. True, he certainly did. Coutinho tucks in more and doesn´t really track overlapping full backs so the theory was good. The thing is, the shift to the left has so far unburdened Mane with defensive responsibility rather than help Moreno.

      Now this defies all logic because it's one of those accepted facts that Moreno cannot defend and yet Klopp just bet our European Qualification on Moreno last night. He was happy to let Hoffenheim have overloads on him for the chance for Mane to run riot on their right center back. The interesting thing from looking into defensive stats on the full backs thread is that Moreno has an incredibly totals of things he does.

      For example, his average tackle success in 2015/16 was 75%. Last season Milner´s was 67%. League average for full backs was 71%. That was while making 4.3 tackles per game compared to 2.7 for Milner. League average was 2.4. Now obviously if you are making a lot of tackles, even at a high success rate that means a lot more failed tackles. They both made around 1 foul per 90 (1,08 Milner, 1,02 Moreno) but if you look at fouls per tackle, Milner´s comes out at almost double. Moreno was also dribbled past less also (1,09 Moreno vs 1,4 Milner).  He also has twice as many interceptions as Clyne or Milner and is the only one to get over 50% in aerial challenges (Moreno 51,7%, Milner 40,8%, Clyne 23,2%).

      When you add up all the defensive actions a player does (blocks of all kind, recoveries, interceptions, tackles, etc) Moreno comes out highest in the league. This doesn´t mean best. It could even mean worst. Those are both subjective. It just means he is either very aggressive, has a large area of responsibility &/or sees a lot of defensive action in his area of the pitch.

      Also when you look at reactive actions (recoveries, interceptions) vs active actions (blocks, tackles) the league average is roughly 2.3 times as many reactive as active. Clyne and Milner are similar (1.85 & 1.9). Moreno is 1.3 which is the highest score recorded. Rose & Davies - by comparison, both come out at 1.4 (they are 2nd & 3rd on the list). There is no particular magic score that is good, or not, but it does tell us how aggressive Moreno is by comparison to our other full backs and those to another pressing side in Spurs. And I suspect if you treat pressing traps as an ambush situation - the unofficial SAS motto of speed, aggression and surprise come into play. This makes me wonder that if, despite his obvious faults, if a Moreno type left back perfect for our system. Is this why Pochettino persisted with Danny Rose despite the fan base deeming him a brain dead liability when he arrived at the club. Therefore Klopp may be willing to give chances that we aren't in the hope the same basics of defending can result in a similar upward turn as we saw with Rose? 

      I´m not saying these are the answers, merely trying to open a discussion that makes sense of the decisions Klopp makes rather than dismiss his decisions, like playing Moreno, as stupid."

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      It has been suggested before that under Klopp, Lovren has played better when he was being played as an RCB (something I noticed too and that I agree with). Looking at this and the tactical analysis where we deliberately use the left side as a trap, it does make both Lovren and Moreno prone to more errors and leaves them exposed at times. Interesting stuff and looking forward to read what you guys think about it!
      « Last Edit: Aug 23, 2017 01:42:56 am by Danzel »
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1272: Aug 23, 2017 02:14:14 am
      I posted a tactical analysis of the Hoffenheim game in the "Tactics geeks of the world unite..."-thread. (https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,43593.msg2073369.html#new)

      This post, also by BabuYagu, gives some interesting information and food for thought.

      "Our left side is always the pressing trap. (Could be wrong, just speaking from gut feeling watching us). That probably could be flipped but I suspect would require a change of personnel if the case as our right appears far more passive which then defeats the point of a pressing trap. You can´t have a passive ambush :D

      An interesting thing was a discussion we had pre-season. Mane on the left would be good for Moreno because he protects full backs more than Coutinho. True, he certainly did. Coutinho tucks in more and doesn´t really track overlapping full backs so the theory was good. The thing is, the shift to the left has so far unburdened Mane with defensive responsibility rather than help Moreno.

      Now this defies all logic because it's one of those accepted facts that Moreno cannot defend and yet Klopp just bet our European Qualification on Moreno last night. He was happy to let Hoffenheim have overloads on him for the chance for Mane to run riot on their right center back. The interesting thing from looking into defensive stats on the full backs thread is that Moreno has an incredibly totals of things he does.

      For example, his average tackle success in 2015/16 was 75%. Last season Milner´s was 67%. League average for full backs was 71%. That was while making 4.3 tackles per game compared to 2.7 for Milner. League average was 2.4. Now obviously if you are making a lot of tackles, even at a high success rate that means a lot more failed tackles. They both made around 1 foul per 90 (1,08 Milner, 1,02 Moreno) but if you look at fouls per tackle, Milner´s comes out at almost double. Moreno was also dribbled past less also (1,09 Moreno vs 1,4 Milner).  He also has twice as many interceptions as Clyne or Milner and is the only one to get over 50% in aerial challenges (Moreno 51,7%, Milner 40,8%, Clyne 23,2%).

      When you add up all the defensive actions a player does (blocks of all kind, recoveries, interceptions, tackles, etc) Moreno comes out highest in the league. This doesn´t mean best. It could even mean worst. Those are both subjective. It just means he is either very aggressive, has a large area of responsibility &/or sees a lot of defensive action in his area of the pitch.

      Also when you look at reactive actions (recoveries, interceptions) vs active actions (blocks, tackles) the league average is roughly 2.3 times as many reactive as active. Clyne and Milner are similar (1.85 & 1.9). Moreno is 1.3 which is the highest score recorded. Rose & Davies - by comparison, both come out at 1.4 (they are 2nd & 3rd on the list). There is no particular magic score that is good, or not, but it does tell us how aggressive Moreno is by comparison to our other full backs and those to another pressing side in Spurs. And I suspect if you treat pressing traps as an ambush situation - the unofficial SAS motto of speed, aggression and surprise come into play. This makes me wonder that if, despite his obvious faults, if a Moreno type left back perfect for our system. Is this why Pochettino persisted with Danny Rose despite the fan base deeming him a brain dead liability when he arrived at the club. Therefore Klopp may be willing to give chances that we aren't in the hope the same basics of defending can result in a similar upward turn as we saw with Rose? 

      I´m not saying these are the answers, merely trying to open a discussion that makes sense of the decisions Klopp makes rather than dismiss his decisions, like playing Moreno, as stupid."

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      It has been suggested before that under Klopp, Lovren has played better when he was being played as an RCB (something I noticed too and that I agree with). Looking at this and the tactical analysis where we deliberately use the left side as a trap, it does make both Lovren and Moreno prone to more errors and leaves them exposed at times. Interesting stuff and looking forward to read what you guys think about it!

      His writing puts most of the journos I follow to shame, I suspect WAHS is going to absolutely love this post! :D

      I do too, to be fair. Very interesting indeed, one of the stats that screamed out at me was the aerial duels, I'd have never thought Alby was near 50%, perhaps when you don't even compete you don't get marked down, but with regards Clyne, I always knew he was pretty poor at aerial duels but that is a major weakness (less than 1 in 4).

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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1273: Aug 23, 2017 02:26:35 am
      His writing puts most of the journos I follow to shame, I suspect WAHS is going to absolutely love this post! :D

      I do too, to be fair. Very interesting indeed, one of the stats that screamed out at me was the aerial duels, I'd have never thought Alby was near 50%, perhaps when you don't even compete you don't get marked down, but with regards Clyne, I always knew he was pretty poor at aerial duels but that is a major weakness (less than 1 in 4).

      When thinking about Clyne and aerial duels, I always get flashbacks to how often he gets beaten at the second post on crosses. It's a problem Moreno will also have because of his height, but he does seem to be stronger / better at the aerial duels than Clyne.
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      Reply #1274: Aug 23, 2017 08:24:19 am
      I posted a tactical analysis of the Hoffenheim game in the "Tactics geeks of the world unite..."-thread. (https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,43593.msg2073369.html#new)

      This post, also by BabuYagu, gives some interesting information and food for thought.

      "Our left side is always the pressing trap. (Could be wrong, just speaking from gut feeling watching us). That probably could be flipped but I suspect would require a change of personnel if the case as our right appears far more passive which then defeats the point of a pressing trap. You can´t have a passive ambush :D

      An interesting thing was a discussion we had pre-season. Mane on the left would be good for Moreno because he protects full backs more than Coutinho. True, he certainly did. Coutinho tucks in more and doesn´t really track overlapping full backs so the theory was good. The thing is, the shift to the left has so far unburdened Mane with defensive responsibility rather than help Moreno.

      Now this defies all logic because it's one of those accepted facts that Moreno cannot defend and yet Klopp just bet our European Qualification on Moreno last night. He was happy to let Hoffenheim have overloads on him for the chance for Mane to run riot on their right center back. The interesting thing from looking into defensive stats on the full backs thread is that Moreno has an incredibly totals of things he does.

      For example, his average tackle success in 2015/16 was 75%. Last season Milner´s was 67%. League average for full backs was 71%. That was while making 4.3 tackles per game compared to 2.7 for Milner. League average was 2.4. Now obviously if you are making a lot of tackles, even at a high success rate that means a lot more failed tackles. They both made around 1 foul per 90 (1,08 Milner, 1,02 Moreno) but if you look at fouls per tackle, Milner´s comes out at almost double. Moreno was also dribbled past less also (1,09 Moreno vs 1,4 Milner).  He also has twice as many interceptions as Clyne or Milner and is the only one to get over 50% in aerial challenges (Moreno 51,7%, Milner 40,8%, Clyne 23,2%).

      When you add up all the defensive actions a player does (blocks of all kind, recoveries, interceptions, tackles, etc) Moreno comes out highest in the league. This doesn´t mean best. It could even mean worst. Those are both subjective. It just means he is either very aggressive, has a large area of responsibility &/or sees a lot of defensive action in his area of the pitch.

      Also when you look at reactive actions (recoveries, interceptions) vs active actions (blocks, tackles) the league average is roughly 2.3 times as many reactive as active. Clyne and Milner are similar (1.85 & 1.9). Moreno is 1.3 which is the highest score recorded. Rose & Davies - by comparison, both come out at 1.4 (they are 2nd & 3rd on the list). There is no particular magic score that is good, or not, but it does tell us how aggressive Moreno is by comparison to our other full backs and those to another pressing side in Spurs. And I suspect if you treat pressing traps as an ambush situation - the unofficial SAS motto of speed, aggression and surprise come into play. This makes me wonder that if, despite his obvious faults, if a Moreno type left back perfect for our system. Is this why Pochettino persisted with Danny Rose despite the fan base deeming him a brain dead liability when he arrived at the club. Therefore Klopp may be willing to give chances that we aren't in the hope the same basics of defending can result in a similar upward turn as we saw with Rose? 

      I´m not saying these are the answers, merely trying to open a discussion that makes sense of the decisions Klopp makes rather than dismiss his decisions, like playing Moreno, as stupid."

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      It has been suggested before that under Klopp, Lovren has played better when he was being played as an RCB (something I noticed too and that I agree with). Looking at this and the tactical analysis where we deliberately use the left side as a trap, it does make both Lovren and Moreno prone to more errors and leaves them exposed at times. Interesting stuff and looking forward to read what you guys think about it!

      Excellent writing skills. Should do it for a profession.

      Very interesting read also. I don't even get anxious about Alberto defending. He frustrates me to no ends when he gets the ball on the half way line and instead of playing the ball into the strikers feet or down the line to a winger he does a little drag back and passes it back to Lovren or Henderson. The forward attacking ball isn't even a risk. He's just scared of cocking up because his confidence is low. A confident brave player plays those attacking balls, like Robertson, must be so confident after a big club like ourselves have just signed him to fix our left back woes.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1275: Aug 24, 2017 11:47:44 am
      I would much rather see him playing further forward. I think we could do with another winger as cover and Alberto certainly has the pace we need....deffo not a defender and I think we'd be surprised if he did start playing as a winger.....well it worked for Gareth Bale anyway.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1276: Aug 24, 2017 06:05:05 pm
      I posted a tactical analysis of the Hoffenheim game in the "Tactics geeks of the world unite..."-thread. (https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,43593.msg2073369.html#new)

      This post, also by BabuYagu, gives some interesting information and food for thought.

      "Our left side is always the pressing trap. (Could be wrong, just speaking from gut feeling watching us). That probably could be flipped but I suspect would require a change of personnel if the case as our right appears far more passive which then defeats the point of a pressing trap. You can´t have a passive ambush :D

      An interesting thing was a discussion we had pre-season. Mane on the left would be good for Moreno because he protects full backs more than Coutinho. True, he certainly did. Coutinho tucks in more and doesn´t really track overlapping full backs so the theory was good. The thing is, the shift to the left has so far unburdened Mane with defensive responsibility rather than help Moreno.

      Now this defies all logic because it's one of those accepted facts that Moreno cannot defend and yet Klopp just bet our European Qualification on Moreno last night. He was happy to let Hoffenheim have overloads on him for the chance for Mane to run riot on their right center back. The interesting thing from looking into defensive stats on the full backs thread is that Moreno has an incredibly totals of things he does.

      For example, his average tackle success in 2015/16 was 75%. Last season Milner´s was 67%. League average for full backs was 71%. That was while making 4.3 tackles per game compared to 2.7 for Milner. League average was 2.4. Now obviously if you are making a lot of tackles, even at a high success rate that means a lot more failed tackles. They both made around 1 foul per 90 (1,08 Milner, 1,02 Moreno) but if you look at fouls per tackle, Milner´s comes out at almost double. Moreno was also dribbled past less also (1,09 Moreno vs 1,4 Milner).  He also has twice as many interceptions as Clyne or Milner and is the only one to get over 50% in aerial challenges (Moreno 51,7%, Milner 40,8%, Clyne 23,2%).

      When you add up all the defensive actions a player does (blocks of all kind, recoveries, interceptions, tackles, etc) Moreno comes out highest in the league. This doesn´t mean best. It could even mean worst. Those are both subjective. It just means he is either very aggressive, has a large area of responsibility &/or sees a lot of defensive action in his area of the pitch.

      Also when you look at reactive actions (recoveries, interceptions) vs active actions (blocks, tackles) the league average is roughly 2.3 times as many reactive as active. Clyne and Milner are similar (1.85 & 1.9). Moreno is 1.3 which is the highest score recorded. Rose & Davies - by comparison, both come out at 1.4 (they are 2nd & 3rd on the list). There is no particular magic score that is good, or not, but it does tell us how aggressive Moreno is by comparison to our other full backs and those to another pressing side in Spurs. And I suspect if you treat pressing traps as an ambush situation - the unofficial SAS motto of speed, aggression and surprise come into play. This makes me wonder that if, despite his obvious faults, if a Moreno type left back perfect for our system. Is this why Pochettino persisted with Danny Rose despite the fan base deeming him a brain dead liability when he arrived at the club. Therefore Klopp may be willing to give chances that we aren't in the hope the same basics of defending can result in a similar upward turn as we saw with Rose? 

      I´m not saying these are the answers, merely trying to open a discussion that makes sense of the decisions Klopp makes rather than dismiss his decisions, like playing Moreno, as stupid."

      ---------------------------------------------------------------

      It has been suggested before that under Klopp, Lovren has played better when he was being played as an RCB (something I noticed too and that I agree with). Looking at this and the tactical analysis where we deliberately use the left side as a trap, it does make both Lovren and Moreno prone to more errors and leaves them exposed at times. Interesting stuff and looking forward to read what you guys think about it!

      Interesting theory Danzel.

      Klopp is encouraging teams to target Moreno so that he can spring a counter-attack behind their RB via Mane? It'd be very high risk, but it is possible.

      As far as the stats for Moreno, one of them surprises me a little ( I'll say which in a minute), but they don't make me change my mind about him:

      the fact he is making so many tackles a game is obviously not surprising to anybody ( nor are you suggesting that it is). He is being targeted by opponents. Whether this is part of Jürgen's plan or not, the effect is the same - he's going to have to make a lot of tackles;

      the fact he has a high success rate with his tackles also doesn't surprise me. I've always thought he is a good tackler. He is particularly good at recovery tackles - maybe the best in the league actually. On the run and sliding in, he makes some beauties;

      he likes those kind of tackles so much, though, that I have seen him several times be goal side of an opponent, and step up past him so that he can turn back and tackle him from the wrong side. ( That sounds incredible, but I've seen him do it. He did one against Watford the other day.) So the stat that surprises me a bit is the one that he makes a lower proportion of reactive ( as opposed to active) tackles than anybody else. That said, it's still not too surprising on reflection, as he is a fairly aggressive, front foot type of player - and the number of those let-your-opponent-get-past-you-before-you-tackle moments are probably not that big a proportion, they are just weird to be doing at all. ( And for all I know they may even still be classed as "active" tackles.)

      For me, the problem with Moreno is not his technical ability ( tackling or otherwise). It's between his ears. He reads the game poorly, his decision making is sh*te, he runs after balls that he is never going to get and leaves acres of space behind him etc.
      the unfortunate think for old Bertie is that the ability to read the game is the most important quality a defender must have. Cos he hasn't got it.

      I remember a while ago reading Xabi Alonso talking about how he viewed it as a kind of failure if even had to make a tackle. Guardiola also likes to keep tackling to a minimum - thinks its too risky, and you can snuff out danger with your positioning etc instead.
      Now I  like to see a good tackle, and I don't entirely buy into the Guardiola thinking on that, but the point is that Moreno is like the anti-Xabi Alonso. Instead of quietly suppressing the danger with his anticipation, reading of the game etc, he charges around all over the place like a headless chicken, flying into tackles that he is forced to make cos he is yet again not in a position to do anything else. Fair play to him that he makes a healthy proportion of them, but the fact he puts himself in that position so many times means he will get caught out a lot, which indeed he does.


      On the general question of whether Jürgen is deliberately leaving him exposed. It's possible, but I'm still skeptical about that. I'm not sure that those heat maps over on the tactics thread contain half the information that that BabuYagu is reading into them. However it's an interesting idea and worth keeping an eye on.

      One question would be - does Jürgen employ the same tactic when eg Milner is at LB. ( The stats showing Milner making much fewer tackles suggest he doesn't.) If not, why not? You wouldn't have to use Moreno to employ this tactic ( although he is going to be more of a red rag to opposition managers right enough.)
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1277: Aug 24, 2017 09:23:55 pm
      Klopp is encouraging teams to target Moreno so that he can spring a counter-attack behind their RB via Mane? It'd be very high risk, but it is possible.

      the fact he is making so many tackles a game is obviously not surprising to anybody ( nor are you suggesting that it is). He is being targeted by opponents. Whether this is part of Jürgen's plan or not, the effect is the same - he's going to have to make a lot of tackles;

      For me, the problem with Moreno is not his technical ability ( tackling or otherwise). It's between his ears. He reads the game poorly, his decision making is sh*te, he runs after balls that he is never going to get and leaves acres of space behind him etc.
      the unfortunate think for old Bertie is that the ability to read the game is the most important quality a defender must have. Cos he hasn't got it.

      I remember a while ago reading Xabi Alonso talking about how he viewed it as a kind of failure if even had to make a tackle. Guardiola also likes to keep tackling to a minimum - thinks its too risky, and you can snuff out danger with your positioning etc instead.

      One question would be - does Jürgen employ the same tactic when eg Milner is at LB. ( The stats showing Milner making much fewer tackles suggest he doesn't.) If not, why not? You wouldn't have to use Moreno to employ this tactic ( although he is going to be more of a red rag to opposition managers right enough.)

      I just took out a few parts I'd like to answer to.

      The tactics described where Klopp would allow Moreno to be targetted, were used in the Hoffenheim away game (not always when Moreno plays) because the coaching staff saw a clear weak spot on Hoffenheim's right side of the defense. I'm not sure we used it before because Mane played on the right wing for us last season, covering Clyne, while Coutinho was on our left wing and offered a lot less protection to our LB. The best proof there is, is that Mane's direct opponent, Bikakcic, was subbed off after 52 minutes because he couldn't handle the constant 1 vs 1 situations this tactic allowed us to have. Mane faced 4 different players over the span of two games, none of them could handle him in the 1 vs 1 situations we created on the left side (their right side).

      In the home leg against Hoffenheim, Mane covered Moreno a lot more and didn't stay up on the pitch as high as he did in the away game because we already had the vital away goals. We didn't have to take the risk anymore to leave him high up the pitch and most of our attacks started from a bit deeper. 

      It could very well be that in his first two seasons with Liverpool, opposing teams did actually see him as a weak link (which to be fair, he was at the time). He then went out of the team for nearly a full season and I think he has improved since he has been back in the starting eleven. The manager has clearly been working on the defensive side of his game and he trusted him to deal with these situations in two what could have been 'season defining games' and the difference between being back in the CL or not. He can still improve, a lot, but he looks better and less 'headless chicken' than when he first arrived here. I also agree that his reading of the game in certain situations should be better, but for me that's something that can be learned and that you learn by experience. Trent on the other side of the defense will also need to learn to read the game better as he's allowing himself to be taken out of the game too easily sometimes.

      With regards to the tackling, as a CB myself they always said to me that when you tackle, you have to be 100% sure you'll get it (I too like a sliding tackle from time to time...), otherwise you take yourself out of the game as you have no chance of recovering after a missed tackle. So I agree with you on that point. Lovren also has the tendency to come in sliding quite often. You don't see Matip sliding /tackling all the time because he reads the game better than Lovren does.

      This is all thinking on my part and it could very well be wrong. You could probably use the same tactic with Milner as a LB, but I don't think it would be as effective as it was with Moreno and I think the risk would be higher because Milner's recovery pace is a lot slower than Moreno's which would make it a lot more difficult for him to deal with overloads on his side of the pitch. I think his lower amount of tackles is because he doesn't have the pace to get across quick enough in overloads and make the last ditch tackles that Moreno's pace does allow him to make.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1278: Aug 27, 2017 06:49:16 pm
      Way to get stuck in Alby....can't ask for more.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1279: Aug 27, 2017 08:14:23 pm
      Way to get stuck in Alby....can't ask for more.

      Agreed:

      https://twitter.com/LFCData/status/901882930527703042

      Top stuff Alby, that was what we want to see, time and again please.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1280: Aug 27, 2017 08:17:08 pm
      Only Kante has made more tackles than Moreno in the premier league this season.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1281: Aug 27, 2017 08:35:30 pm
      I thought he had a good game, there was one brain fart, I think it was a poor clearance that he should have put into the stands but it went straight to an Arsenal player and he nearly scythed him down in the box but the rest of his game was excellent. He was solid in possession and excellent in the tackle. Keep it coming.
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      Reply #1282: Aug 27, 2017 09:20:16 pm
      I like.
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      Reply #1283: Aug 28, 2017 12:36:10 am
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      Reply #1284: Aug 28, 2017 01:23:32 am
      I thought he had a good game, there was one brain fart, I think it was a poor clearance that he should have put into the stands but it went straight to an Arsenal player and he nearly staged him down in the box but the rest of his game was excellent. He was solid in possession and excellent in the tackle. Keep it coming.

      I was on edge when he dived in in the box.

      I was buzzing when he said but have been fuming with him ever since, today though he was top draw. I seriously hope he can keep this up.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1285: Aug 28, 2017 01:33:50 am
      I thought he had a good game, there was one brain fart, I think it was a poor clearance that he should have put into the stands but it went straight to an Arsenal player and he nearly staged him down in the box but the rest of his game was excellent. He was solid in possession and excellent in the tackle. Keep it coming.

      I would add to that, that he still looks very rash in the challenge and that rush of blood scares the sh*t out of me at times.

      What I don't get is, how come Moreno is our new signing this season; it's not like he's turned into something he's not by being kept out of the team for a complete season?

      With that, we could have had another new midfielder last season (Milner), which then would have enabled us to actually BUY a new midfielder this season.  :D

      Bat sh*t crazy.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1286: Aug 28, 2017 06:49:16 am
      I would add to that, that he still looks very rash in the challenge and that rush of blood scares the sh*t out of me at times.

      What I don't get is, how come Moreno is our new signing this season; it's not like he's turned into something he's not by being kept out of the team for a complete season?

      With that, we could have had another new midfielder last season (Milner), which then would have enabled us to actually BUY a new midfielder this season.  :D

      Bat sh*t crazy.

      I know go figure mate, all a bit of a head scratcher. Moreno would have to demonstrate about 3 months worth of brain fartless football before I can ever relax. The lunge in the box yesterday could very easily have led to a penno and had it done so the chat in here would be very different such are the fine lines in football. The question with Moreno is can he change the way he reacts in those moments of panic that he has? I think we will get plenty of opportunities to find out this season. But all in all it was a really decent performance. In fact I can't remember the last time both full backs played so well during the same game.
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      Re: Alberto Moreno Player Thread
      Reply #1287: Aug 28, 2017 01:50:14 pm
      Been some horrid things said about this lad over the past 18 months, despite his (at least to some of us) obvious outstanding qualities that he has. That's both online and also some of things I've heard shouted at him at matches as well.

      Glad he's showing up some of our fan base with his performances this season. Long may it continue.

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