Trending Topics

      Next match: LFC v Brighton [Premier League] Sun 31st Mar @ 2:00 pm
      Anfield

      Today is the 28th of March and on this date LFC's match record is P26 W11 D3 L12

      Roberto Firmino Player Thread (F)

      Read 370216 times
      0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 13,361 posts | 3462 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1449: Sep 27, 2017 10:35:29 pm

      Yes mate it's a forum where we discuss, if we take everything Klopp does is beyond debate then no point in having a forum.
      Klopp is not infallible just like all managers.

      And I'm one of his biggest fans!

      It's not a question of not debating, it's the difference between saying "Klopp fu**ed up" and trying to work out why he made a particular decision.

      He has the information, all of it.
      No one here does, so how can they say he fu**ed up?
      It's like reading one paragraph at the beginning of a book and saying "that's sh*te".
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 13,361 posts | 3462 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1450: Sep 27, 2017 10:37:55 pm
      Yes it seems a little bit of a strange stance to simply accept your lot and not discuss things, on a discussion forum.

      Except that's not what I posted 'Mick, as you well know.

      And on that note, I'll leave it there.
      I have no patience when people willfully misrepresent others posts.
      Carry on playing silly buggers, I'm out.
      Danzel
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,305 posts | 1113 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1451: Sep 27, 2017 11:26:29 pm

      Yes mate it's a forum where we discuss, if we take everything Klopp does is beyond debate then no point in having a forum.
      Klopp is not infallible just like all managers.

      And I'm one of his biggest fans!

      Nothing is ever beyond debate, but how often do you really see a debate here where you think:"Hmm, some very interesting views here!"

      As Swab points out, I'd rather discuss the how and the why behind a Klopp decision than question the decision itself. Not because Klopp is infallible, he isn't and he's one stubborn f**ker at times. But to think we as fans know better? Our collective knowledge of football and tactics still adds up to sweet f**k all compared to what people like Klopp, Krawietz and Buvac have acquired over the decades they've been in management. They have degrees in sports science, management, coaching badges and a combined what, 40 years in management learning their trade? People on here offer 'solutions' to our problems thinking that Klopp and his staff haven't gone after that exact same idea, in depth, probably a 1000 times. If someone thinks problems within a squad can be changed by just changing one player by another, well wow, that's f**king genius. How come Klopp hasn't thought of that yet?

      I've tried different things to get some good discussions going, from posting some interesting articles on various topics to posting analysis from knowledgeable (in my opinion) people in the tactics thread. Even presenting some of my own views on the CB's, which I knew weren't going to be popular at all. You rarely get a real discussion going. The CB one was one of the few very interesting ones where we had quite a few people actually properly discussing it.

      90% of the people are only here to vent their frustrations and have a go at each other without actually discussing things. "C**t here, c**t there, he's sh*te, he's not good enough, my gran would do better, f**king idiot ... " Doesn't really make for good reading if all people want is to be proven right at some point and get to say "I told you so". Not to say there aren't quality posters of course, there's quite a few I really like reading, even though I sometimes disagree with some of their views.

      It's the exact same with the current Firmino / Sturridge / Striker debate. If Klopp had really wanted an out and out striker playing in Firmino's position, why haven't we been linked with any striker at all in the 2 years he has been at the club? Why does he persist with Firmino if he isn't 'clinical' enough? Surely he must be happy with Firmino's performances? Not counting the Aubameyang and Mbappe links of course, we all know they were bullshit.
      « Last Edit: Sep 27, 2017 11:31:02 pm by Danzel »
      HScRed1
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 20,172 posts | 4401 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1452: Sep 27, 2017 11:36:52 pm
      Nothing is ever beyond debate, but how often do you really see a debate here where you think:"Hmm, some very interesting views here!"

      As Swab points out, I'd rather discuss the how and the why behind a Klopp decision than question the decision itself. Not because Klopp is infallible, he isn't and he's one stubborn f**ker at times. But to think we as fans know better? Our collective knowledge of football and tactics still adds up to sweet f**k all compared to what people like Klopp, Krawietz and Buvac have acquired over the decades they've been in management. They have degrees in sports science, management, coaching badges and a combined what, 40 years in management learning their trade? People on here offer 'solutions' to our problems thinking that Klopp and his staff haven't gone after that exact same idea, in depth, probably a 1000 times. If someone thinks problems within a squad can be changed by just changing one player by another, well wow, that's f**king genius. How come Klopp hasn't thought of that yet?

      I've tried different things to get some good discussions going, from posting some interesting articles on various topics to posting analysis from knowledgeable (in my opinion) people in the tactics thread. Even presenting some of my own views on the CB's, which I knew weren't going to be popular at all. You rarely get a real discussion going. The CB one was one of the few very interesting ones where we had quite a few people actually properly discussing it.

      90% of the people are only here to vent their frustrations and have a go at each other without actually discussing things. "C**t here, c**t there, he's sh*te, he's not good enough, my gran would do better, f**king idiot ... " Doesn't really make for good reading if all people want is to be proven right at some point and get to say "I told you so". Not to say there aren't quality posters of course, there's quite a few I really like reading, even though I sometimes disagree with some of their views.

      That's the whole point of a forum it's like being in the pub and discussing with your mates, sure some of them will have had too many pints and can't string a sentence together but others will have watched the game closely, might still be playing and will question some of the managers decisions.

      The point of a forum is that it is a forum and everyone can make a point even posters like Ireland and Riba!
      No one stopping you and Swab thinking Klopp is beyond scrutiny just because he has UEFA coaching badges.

      KopiteLuke
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 21,056 posts | 3784 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1453: Sep 28, 2017 12:08:33 am
      I've tried different things to get some good discussions going, from posting some interesting articles on various topics to posting analysis from knowledgeable (in my opinion) people in the tactics thread. Even presenting some of my own views on the CB's, which I knew weren't going to be popular at all. You rarely get a real discussion going. The CB one was one of the few very interesting ones where we had quite a few people actually properly discussing it.

      90% of the people are only here to vent their frustrations and have a go at each other without actually discussing things. "C**t here, c**t there, he's sh*te, he's not good enough, my gran would do better, f**king idiot ... " Doesn't really make for good reading if all people want is to be proven right at some point and get to say "I told you so". Not to say there aren't quality posters of course, there's quite a few I really like reading, even though I sometimes disagree with some of their views.

      Well observed and fair.
      bigmick
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,078 posts | 2767 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1454: Sep 28, 2017 12:09:07 am
      Yes to say "surely Klopp is happy" with Firmino is stating the obvious, he keeps picking him and didn't sign an alternative!

      Unfortunately for the thought police tho, on a forum it's still OK to voice an opinion contrary to the manager. Doesn't mean obviously that he's going to change his mind and in that sense it's pointless, but that's what forums are for.

      Danzel
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,305 posts | 1113 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1455: Sep 28, 2017 12:41:50 am
      Yes to say "surely Klopp is happy" with Firmino is stating the obvious, he keeps picking him and didn't sign an alternative!

      Unfortunately for the thought police tho, on a forum it's still OK to voice an opinion contrary to the manager. Doesn't mean obviously that he's going to change his mind and in that sense it's pointless, but that's what forums are for.

      It's not that he didn't sign one, he hasn't even looked at an alternative in the two years he has been here. So he is not only happy with Firmino's performances (probably not with his last two though), he also seems to be happy with the alternatives, which include Sturridge. The only player he has brought in so far to play central is Solanke and that's one he, to his own admittance, hadn't even watched before. So if that hadn't happened, we probably had signed none at all.

      No one has ever said it is not OK (at least I think so) to voice an opinion contrary to the manager. I said in my post, Klopp is not infallible and we can and should question the how and why of his decisions. When however people question Klopp's decisions and all they can say is "he fu**ed up" and point out the obvious, without explaining why he fu**ed up, how he fu**ed up or just in general not giving a valid argument, there's really no point.
      Beerbelly
      • Banned
      • *****

      • 6,983 posts | 2054 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1456: Sep 28, 2017 01:41:33 am
      You know it's a worry when people try to control your opinions and try to control the content of what you actually post with in those opinions.

      Sad.
      fckmediocrity
      • Forum Billy Liddell
      • ****

      • 604 posts | 213 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1457: Sep 28, 2017 02:04:54 am


      You know it's a worry when people try to control your opinions and try to control the content of what you actually post with in those opinions.

      Sad.

      Haha I was called a 'lobotomised w**ker' just because I want Firmino to score goals.. and that's only for criticizing one of Jürgen's golden boys.. imagine saying something bad about him :laugh:
      PastorGeek
      • Not Actual Geek
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 2,474 posts | 701 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1458: Sep 28, 2017 06:37:24 am
      When we have one 20+ goal a season striker we get called a one man team.

      When we have 3 forward players capable of scoring 10 plus goals a season, we're in the 'lacking a real goal scorer' purgatory.

      You cant really win
      Beerbelly
      • Banned
      • *****

      • 6,983 posts | 2054 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1459: Sep 28, 2017 06:50:42 am

      Haha I was called a 'lobotomised w**ker' just because I want Firmino to score goals.. and that's only for criticizing one of Jürgen's golden boys.. imagine saying something bad about him :laugh:

      Some people just do not like diverse views mate.

      Some want it like RAWK, where it's almost cult like.

      The caveat being - your posts HAVE to be positive.

      Then anything goes. You can go analytically over the top, crunch the numbers and say what you think is happening with our team so long as it's positive. Of course, you're then entitled to write your theory of long winded jargon, trying to over complicate what you think you see, and what you think Jürgen is up to and that's okay.

      But the moment you say what you think is wrong with the team, and actually give your reasons for it contrary to claims that those views are just rudimentary and simplistic, then that is not on.

      Imagine a world where nothing was questioned?

      That's how some want this place to be.

      Fark that!
      « Last Edit: Sep 28, 2017 10:34:19 am by Beerbelly »
      bigmick
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,078 posts | 2767 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1460: Sep 28, 2017 09:08:25 am
      He was talked about as being equal to Suarez and Sanchez yesterday  :lmao:. Last week he was an Olympic sprinter, faster than Mane and Salah.

      Next week he's entering the World high jump championships, and looking to get his golf handicap under scratch. There's no limit to the lads talents!
      Swab
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 13,361 posts | 3462 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1461: Sep 28, 2017 11:09:22 am
      That's the whole point of a forum it's like being in the pub and discussing with your mates, sure some of them will have had too many pints and can't string a sentence together but others will have watched the game closely, might still be playing and will question some of the managers decisions.

      The point of a forum is that it is a forum and everyone can make a point even posters like Ireland and Riba!
      No one stopping you and Swab thinking Klopp is beyond scrutiny just because he has UEFA coaching badges.

      We don't get "scrutiny" of Klopp.
      We get guesses based on spurious claims of "reading between the lines", and silly interpretations of "well, what I think he means".
      We get "he's lost the F***ing plot" and "OMG what the F**k is he doing", and "he's fu**ed up big time there".
      All without having anywhere near the amount of information that Klopp has.
      If you don't have the same information as him (and as I've repeatedly said, none of us do) then it's pure guesswork based on nothing factual.
      It's ego driven bullshit for the most part, with some forumites trying to make out they know more about our team/squad (without having the information) than one of the best managers in the world.

      There's a massive difference between having a couple of pints and chatting about it, and posting in a place like this.
      You wouldn't get some c**t in the pub come in with the sole intention of causing sh*t, or talking part of a statement out of context to "prove" some inane point for the simple reason they'd get fu**ed off very quickly.

      There's also a massive difference between speculative posting about what someone thinks is happening, and the reality of what's happening on and off the pitch, and yet some on here would have us believe that theirs is the definitive view, and that's definitely what happened or is happening.

      Loads of agenda driven bullshit, and very little in the way of evidence or facts, with absolutely no analysis or some tripe like "I trust my own eyes" etc etc
      bmck
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,404 posts | 1611 
      • YNWA
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1462: Sep 28, 2017 08:56:53 pm

      Haha I was called a 'lobotomised w**ker' just because I want Firmino to score goals.. and that's only for criticizing one of Jürgen's golden boys.. imagine saying something bad about him :laugh:

      Like his teeth are way too bright? Cmon, but they are..  :f_run:
      bigmick
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,078 posts | 2767 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1463: Sep 29, 2017 09:32:14 am
      Here's the rub with Bobby. Currently I'm doing OK in the score predictor league table thingie, and if you're interested (as if anyone is) I've gone for us to beat Newcastle 4-0. Forget loyalty to Rafa and the indisputable fact that he knows how to drill a defence, they are sh!te. Just so I don't get accused of putting the boot into our old manager, THAT'S NOT HIS FAULT. I've said it a few times now, if he can get them into the top dozen that'll be a huge effort, even staying up will be commendable.

      Anyway given that, I should think there's a good chance that WHOEVER plays for us at the weekend has a pretty good chance of getting themselves a goal or two. Obviously what I would do is drop Bobby and play one of Solanke, Sturridge or Mane centrally. I think for example if Sturridge plays from the start, he scores.

      What I suspect will happen though, is Bobby will start and probably score at least once. Now I know there is the possibility to frame the argument that as he "needs confidence" it'll "do him the World of good" and obviously there's something in that, but I genuinely think that against bus parkers who are better at it than Newcastle, we really ought to be thinking about giving ourselves another viable STARTING option.

      I'd play Sturridge, I think Jürgen will play Bobby. We'll win anyway, but I disagree with the boss on this one.*****


      ***** I don't think I know more about football than Jürgen, I don't think he takes any notice of what I think, I don't think he SHOULD take any notice of what I think, I haven't spoken to Jürgen about his intentions, I haven't got the same amount or even 1% of information about the players as Jürgen, I don't hate Jürgen, I don't hate Bobby, I don't want to stroke anyones cock, all opinions expressed are merely mine and mine only, and are a guess.
       
      RazorRedz
      • Forum Jason McAteer
      • **

      • 147 posts | 23 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1464: Sep 29, 2017 10:59:22 am

      Firmino's Spartak air shot just landed in my garden  ;)
      bad boy bubby
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 14,564 posts | 3172 
      • @KaiserQueef
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1465: Sep 29, 2017 12:17:08 pm
      When we have one 20+ goal a season striker we get called a one man team.

      When we have 3 forward players capable of scoring 10 plus goals a season, we're in the 'lacking a real goal scorer' purgatory.

      You cant really win
      Yeah you can.

      What about and I'm just throwing this out there... what about a striker who can score 20 - 30 and the other two scoring 10 +?

      Mental; right? 😂😂😊


      KopiteLuke
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 21,056 posts | 3784 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1466: Sep 29, 2017 12:42:34 pm
      Logic we've got to contend with in these 'debates':

      Play him, he'll score, it'll give him confidence - I'd drop him and it will be a mistake by Jürgen to play him.

      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      (Talk about trying to hedge your bets)
      bigmick
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 10,078 posts | 2767 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1467: Sep 29, 2017 12:57:13 pm
      Logic we've got to contend with in these 'debates':

      Play him, he'll score, it'll give him confidence - I'd drop him and it will be a mistake by Jürgen to play him.

      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      (Talk about trying to hedge your bets)

      Not really hedging my bets mate, he's bound to score eventually. As I said in my earlier post, I think whoever plays centre forward has a good chance of scoring. Following week we play the Mancs and then Spurs (I would start Firmino in both) so it really comes down to who you think would benefit most here for game time and a goal. For me it's Sturridge, but if you disagree it's cool.

      Hopefully today we can avoid every post causing World War Two, it'd be nice.

      redindian
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,955 posts | 234 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1468: Sep 29, 2017 01:01:41 pm
      Yeah you can.

      What about and I'm just throwing this out there... what about a striker who can score 20 - 30 and the other two scoring 10 +?

      Mental; right? 😂😂😊




      Before that, can't we get Batman to protect our fort? Even Ben Affleck would do.. Tall, solid and has a stoic expression all the time. :D

      FL Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 31,048 posts | 6294 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1469: Sep 29, 2017 01:03:37 pm
      No one should be immune to a spell on the bench.
      Breeding-Reds-In-The-434
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 3,088 posts | 1046 
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1470: Sep 29, 2017 04:19:43 pm
      No one should be immune to a spell on the bench.

      We are better with him than without. Studg makes Salah, Mane, and Couts worse. Bobby is a cog in the wheel that makes the machine run. We just need better performances out of him  ;)
      bad boy bubby
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 14,564 posts | 3172 
      • @KaiserQueef
      Re: Roberto Firmino Player Thread
      Reply #1471: Sep 30, 2017 05:52:08 pm
      Based on what, other than that which (convieniently) cannot be measured; things like goals, assists, passing accuracy?

      I'm a big fan of Bobby but let's be F***ing honest here 😂

      Quick Reply