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      Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

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      The Real Donavan Ried
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #13593: Sep 14, 2017 11:22:33 pm
      Thanks heimdall, after all i have my "Plus Whore" status to maintain  :f_tongueincheek: 
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      Reply #13594: Sep 14, 2017 11:28:37 pm
      Definitely mate, sh*t at the minute but like you say it will all change when we top the group.

      How is it in Florida, hope you are all doing well over there.

      No power yet but those are first world problems. Family is safe and house made it through pretty good so can't complain. Thanks for asking.
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      Reply #13595: Sep 14, 2017 11:30:27 pm

      It's incredibly patient and it's also a big risk that some of these lads simply wont develop as he expects/hopes and then we're left with the buy it now option. Having said that, if Jürgen can bring this group of lads together and develop them together then that would be tremendous for our long term future but for right now it looks like we're going to have to endure some pain.

      Didn't TAA play mainly as a No. 6 in the u16 and u18 team? Lijnders said in one of his interviews that TAA is a very versatile player who can play in all positions. Isn't it because of his versatility that he has been able to break into the first team? Long term, TAA would prefer the No. 6 role, wouldn't he? Also, Moreno was in the shop window this summer and only a 11mn bid and a sudden  improved performance against Bayern in the pre season prevented the sale of Moreno, didn't it? Also, during the summer Klopp kept saying that we might go with Milner at LB if we don't land any LB.
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      Reply #13596: Sep 14, 2017 11:32:13 pm
      No power yet but those are first world problems. Family is safe and house made it through pretty good so can't complain. Thanks for asking.

      Great news FL, had wondered how you were but seeing you were still posting on here made me think you were doing 'ok'. Sounds like you were relatively lucky, hope you guys get all the help you need.
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      Reply #13597: Sep 14, 2017 11:36:02 pm
      Great news FL, had wondered how you were but seeing you were still posting on here made me think you were doing 'ok'. Sounds like you were relatively lucky, hope you guys get all the help you need.

      We're good all things considered. Really dodged a bullet, could have been a lot worse had she not changed course at the last minute and jogged inland.  Had to wait in long lines for fuel,  not much ice to be found and sleeping in a house that sits about 90 degrees at night can be a trick, but to not have to be writing off the entire house due to storm surge is a blessing. We know people that had to be rescued from their house due to flooding. That just sucks. Community pulls together at times like this, it's just too bad we don't carry that spirit over all the time.
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      Reply #13598: Sep 14, 2017 11:36:54 pm
      Didn't TAA play mainly as a No. 6 in the u16 and u18 team? Lijnders said in one of his interviews that TAA is a very versatile player who can play in all positions. Isn't it because of his versatility that he has been able to break into the first team? Long term, TAA would prefer the No. 6 role, wouldn't he? Also, Moreno was in the shop window this summer and only a 11mn bid and a sudden  improved performance against Bayern in the pre season prevented the sale of Moreno, didn't it? Also, during the summer Klopp kept saying that we might go with Milner at LB if we don't land any LB.

      Lots and ifs and buts there mate.

      TAA's youth career I couldn't tell you.

      TAA's versatility, well from my perspective he looks like he could play anywhere but it's his defensive side that needs progressing the most, so RB is usually a good place to acquire those skills while still being able to 'hide' a little if you get my meaning. Is his future as a 6, I honestly couldn't say, but I would not be surprised at all if it's in midfield.

      On Moreno, I thought he was for sale and thought £11m was a good price until the market went absolutely bat sh*t crazy, even still I wouldn't have been overly worried had we sold him but the Moreno I watch now is improving fast. Jürgen may have given up on him and just said "hold on, he needs a second chance", I really don't know but he's bought in Robertson and Alby is even keeping him out of the team after a MotM display so there's plenty to believe that he's winning Jürgen's faith. A few times last year Jürgen made a point of saying that Alby had been the main man in training, so it's not as if this is an overnight transition, it is clear to me it's more about consistency now for him.

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      Reply #13599: Sep 14, 2017 11:38:55 pm
      That just sucks. Community pulls together at times like this, it's just too bad we don't carry that spirit over all the time.

      Couldn't agree more, but at least when times get toughest the real human spirit of togetherness comes through, great to hear.
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      Reply #13600: Sep 14, 2017 11:49:10 pm
      Lots and ifs and buts there mate.

      TAA's youth career I couldn't tell you.

      TAA's versatility, well from my perspective he looks like he could play anywhere but it's his defensive side that needs progressing the most, so RB is usually a good place to acquire those skills while still being able to 'hide' a little if you get my meaning. Is his future as a 6, I honestly couldn't say, but I would not be surprised at all if it's in midfield.

      On Moreno, I thought he was for sale and thought £11m was a good price until the market went absolutely bat sh*t crazy, even still I wouldn't have been overly worried had we sold him but the Moreno I watch now is improving fast. Jürgen may have given up on him and just said "hold on, he needs a second chance", I really don't know but he's bought in Robertson and Alby is even keeping him out of the team after a MotM display so there's plenty to believe that he's winning Jürgen's faith. A few times last year Jürgen made a point of saying that Alby had been the main man in training, so it's not as if this is an overnight transition, it is clear to me it's more about consistency now for him.



      Am absolutely delighted that I have been proved wrong (so far) with Moreno's improvement. Obviously, it's not as if we have suddenly got a world class LB. But, the bar was so low that any improvement seems to be great improvement. Also, in another recent interview, Moreno seemed to be suggesting about some personal issues (not completely sure though). In short, if he develops into the potential we seemed to see in him and paid for him, it is win-win anyway.

      On, TAA's defensive side, I agree. In fact, Klopp did suggest recently that he attacks like a man and defends like a kid. Good thing is that he is prepared to wait (unlike you-know-who 25 miles down the road) as he also seemed to suggest that he wants TAA to make mistakes so that he can grow. My comments on TAA is from what I have read from fan sites. The link below is one of the articles I remember reading about him in the recent past
      https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/04/trent-alexander-arnolds-versatility-allowing-opportunities-liverpool-first-team/
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      Reply #13601: Sep 15, 2017 02:18:36 am
      Am absolutely delighted that I have been proved wrong (so far) with Moreno's improvement. O

      What improvement? He's always been good at running forward at pace. His spatial awareness, match intelligence and all round defending have always been his weaknesses and in that he hasn't improved one iota.
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      Reply #13602: Sep 15, 2017 06:28:01 am
      What improvement? He's always been good at running forward at pace. His spatial awareness, match intelligence and all round defending have always been his weaknesses and in that he hasn't improved one iota.

      Honestly believe Robbo will be first choice by season end.
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      Reply #13603: Sep 15, 2017 08:31:43 am
      No power yet but those are first world problems. Family is safe and house made it through pretty good so can't complain. Thanks for asking.



      Similar to LFC  then FL.....

      .....Don't have the power Yet, We have the first world's defensive problems, Our family is safe and Our house is in pretty good shape too....


      Happy to hear your all ok mate, You have all walked through the storm, now you can hold your heads up high.


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      Reply #13604: Sep 15, 2017 11:40:49 am
      Honestly believe Robbo will be first choice by season end.

      The jury is out on him as well. It speaks volumes of our transfer policy that we buy a fullback that is widely recognised as having a major weakness in defending.
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      Reply #13605: Sep 15, 2017 12:01:50 pm
      The jury is out on him as well. It speaks volumes of our transfer policy that we buy a fullback that is widely recognised as having a major weakness in defending.

      Our transfer policy or Klopp's preference in players, i am not too sure anymore.
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      Reply #13606: Sep 15, 2017 12:18:35 pm
      Yeah. Not good enough for you right? Not good enough for Liverpool right? Can I suggest you follow Ronald Koeman then? He's just across the park. Only 5 minutes away. See you at the derby!

      So what evidence have you seen over 2 years that he is identifying the issues with the defence and improving it?
      BTW why the F**k should I go and support the Bitters, F**k off with that childish crap pal!!

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      Reply #13607: Sep 15, 2017 12:54:31 pm
      The jury is out on him as well. It speaks volumes of our transfer policy that we buy a fullback that is widely recognised as having a major weakness in defending.

      No we signed a highly talented and promising international who's particularly strong going forward but was often under a lot of pressure in a relegated team.

      He ain't Bertie.
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      Reply #13608: Sep 15, 2017 01:07:20 pm
      Yeah. Not good enough for you right? Not good enough for Liverpool right? Can I suggest you follow Ronald Koeman then? He's just across the park. Only 5 minutes away. See you at the derby!

      I cant understand this response to a fair question asked.

      We have blamed/questioned both goalkeepers all our defenders and all our midfielders. We religously blame the owners and the board. But as soon as someone, rightly, asks is our manager learning anything from his own mistakes people have a mickey fit and tell those who question the manager to support Everton!! Its bizzare almost insane response. Jesus he posed a very good question. Because the manager had one target one to fix his main problem. The club of which the manager is part of fooked that deal up. Then declared that nothing else out there is better than what we have!! Then picks Moreno over and over and over. Yet we cant question him and if we dare were blues in disguise and need to follow Everton.

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      Reply #13609: Sep 15, 2017 01:12:22 pm
      The jury is out on him as well. It speaks volumes of our transfer policy that we buy a fullback that is widely recognised as having a major weakness in defending.

      I think for someone who worked his way up from Queen's Park to Liverpool in just 4 years is evidence of just how capable he is of tackling a steep learning curve. Not the finished product as a defender by any mean - it's very rare for any 23 year old to be given that defence is a wise profession in football, but we should all have high hopes for him.
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      Reply #13610: Sep 15, 2017 02:48:44 pm
      Honestly believe Robbo will be first choice by season end.

      Has to be really.

      If you're intelligent enough to ignore the spin mate... Moreno is a poor defender in a poor defensive unit.

      Especially too when you consider Jürgen must have actively sought him out [if, of course, Andy wasn't a TC signing]. 😞
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      Reply #13611: Sep 15, 2017 02:56:48 pm
      What improvement? He's always been good at running forward at pace. His spatial awareness, match intelligence and all round defending have always been his weaknesses and in that he hasn't improved one iota.

      Like I said, it is not as if he has become word class all of a sudden. And, like I said small improvement seems like a big improvement because of the dross defence.

      But, he has definitely improved. For starters he has replaced the vice captain (yes, not a difficult task). Secondly, he has somehow kept Robertson out of the team becoming the preferred choice ahead of the person bought to replace him.  He has been the only person making lesser mistakes when compared to the other defenders. Against City in that horror show, Moreno was one of the few who probably had an inkling to what you can call a decent game. Against Sevilla, he was bombing up and down the flank and yes he did make mistakes like the Mad Moreno of old, but, the positives outnumber the negatives. I don't have stats to back my point on how he has improved, but, to say that there has been no improvement to his game is the type of confirmation bias that we fans struggle to remove while making a judgement.
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      Reply #13612: Sep 15, 2017 03:08:53 pm
      Has to be really.

      If you're intelligent enough to ignore the spin mate... Moreno is a poor defender in a poor defensive unit.

      Especially too when you consider Jürgen must have actively sought him out [if, of course, Andy wasn't a TC signing]. 😞

      For me you sum up the difference like this......

      One is a fine young thinking footballer who also happens to be an athlete.

      One is an fine young athlete who happens to think he's a footballer......
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      Reply #13613: Sep 15, 2017 03:31:27 pm
      For me you sum up the difference like this......

      One is a fine young thinking footballer who also happens to be an athlete.

      One is an fine young athlete who happens to think he's a footballer......

      Ha ha... yes, well. 😊

      I'm not privvy to what Jürgen wants [sees] in training but I'm not feeling 'it' from our back five.

      Seeing what little I see; I would have thought Andy was a certain starter, for both his attacking and defensive prowess. The proof is in the eating buddy and the truth is: we will win F**k all without making changes to our defence.
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      Reply #13614: Sep 15, 2017 03:39:20 pm
      Ha ha... yes, well. 😊

      I'm not privvy to what Jürgen wants [sees] in training but I'm not feeling 'it' from our back five.

      Seeing what little I see; I would have thought Andy was a certain starter, for both his attacking and defensive prowess. The proof is in the eating buddy and the truth is: we will win f**k all without making changes to our defence.

      I was of the mind he was blooding the boy in gently - but it's going on too long.

      Despite the rave reviews it's as plain as the nose on Jimmy Durante's nose that Bertie is part of the problem at the back. He has the positional awareness / discipline of a kitten in a glitter factory.
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      Reply #13615: Sep 15, 2017 03:48:08 pm
      I was of the mind he was blooding the boy in gently - but it's going on too long.
      100% mate.

      Its easy to forget that Andy already has a lot of PL experience Scotia and he has shown he is very good in attack so what does he need "blooding" in... our high-end defending? 😯😂

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