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      Georginio Wijnaldum (Liverpool > PSG)

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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #414: Oct 17, 2017 11:40:25 pm
      How do we solve the Gini problem?

      Hes usually pretty poor and anonymous away from home (and not just talking about his lack of goals) but the complete opposite at home.

      Perhaps Klopp should play him in home games only, rotate with Can.

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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #415: Oct 18, 2017 08:49:42 am
      How do we solve the Gini problem?

      Hes usually pretty poor and anonymous away from home (and not just talking about his lack of goals) but the complete opposite at home.

      Perhaps Klopp should play him in home games only, rotate with Can.


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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #416: Oct 23, 2017 06:23:12 pm
      So is Gini injured at the moment?
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      Reply #417: Oct 23, 2017 08:09:00 pm

      Apparently he is.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #418: Oct 23, 2017 10:28:40 pm

      Read after my post that he got kicked in the knee during practice, not expected to be long-term.
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      Reply #419: Dec 02, 2017 11:40:22 pm
      Just watched the whole of the game and I know he is out of position but Gini is such a coward of a player shitting himself as soon as he is pressed, how often dud he pass the ball back to Migs to hoof the ball. Henderson gets stick for passing backwards but I'm afraid we have zero ability or indeed courage in any of our midfield players.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #420: Dec 02, 2017 11:43:48 pm
      Just watched the whole of the game and I know he is out of position but Gini is such a coward of a player shitting himself as soon as he is pressed, how often dud he pass the ball back to Migs to hoof the ball. Henderson gets stick for passing backwards but I'm afraid we have zero ability or indeed courage in any of our midfield players.

      You can question ability but a coward ? Really?  Don't you think that's a bit strong?
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      Reply #421: Dec 02, 2017 11:51:42 pm
      You can question ability but a coward ? Really?  Don't you think that's a bit strong?

      Erm maybe but for a midfielder to be passing on responsibility not sure mate.

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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #422: Dec 03, 2017 07:42:39 am
      Completely lost in that position but watch his interview and you see he fully recognises he was crap.

      Fair play.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #423: Dec 05, 2017 06:42:32 pm
      I really rate him. Think he’s been a brilliant signing... keeps the ball moving, always positive, super fit, versatile and chips in with the goals.

      He can go missing, hopefully he can sort that out and become a consistent 8/10 instead of the 7/10 he’s playing at the moment.
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      Reply #424: Dec 05, 2017 06:56:19 pm
      I really rate him. Think he’s been a brilliant signing... keeps the ball moving, always positive, super fit, versatile and chips in with the goals.

      He can go missing, hopefully he can sort that out and become a consistent 8/10 instead of the 7/10 he’s playing at the moment.

      7/10? really?


      I hardly ever know he's playing to be perfectly honest. Other than when I notice someone receive the ball, make three turns and then hold up play.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #425: Dec 05, 2017 07:08:49 pm
      7/10? really?


      I hardly ever know he's playing to be perfectly honest. Other than when I notice someone receive the ball, make three turns and then hold up play.

      Fair enough mate, he seems to divide opinion in the same way captain fantastic does.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #426: Dec 14, 2017 12:03:45 am
      Does anyone know what happened to Gini tonight?

      He was listed in the starting XI but never actually made it onto the pitch. I think I saw him get substituted though so I've no idea what went on.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #427: Dec 14, 2017 06:42:04 am
      The fella is absolutely stealing a living at the moment. Completely unanimous and you would have to cast the net far and wide to find a more inept midfield performance.

      That was shocking I think I'd prefer him at LCB than in the middle on current form.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #428: Dec 27, 2017 12:45:06 am
      I constantly see people wondering what it is exactly that he offers to our team. In my opinion he's a vital part of our team and the way we play. As far as midfielders go, he is probably one of the first names on the teamsheet for Klopp. Since he has been here, he has rarely missed a game and he doesn't get rotated that much.

      I rate him higher than all of our midfielders (not counting Coutinho) bar Lallana. He's far better on the ball than any of them, far more composed, cleaner in his passing, touches, ... And more importantly, he is probably, along with Lallana, one of our tactically most intelligent players. I think the main reason why people are wondering what his role is, is because his role has changed significantly compared to last season.

      Last season he was always in and around the box, making runs etc. chipping in with goals and assists on a pretty regular basis ending the season just short of double figures in both categories.

      This season however and certainly since the Spurs game, Klopp has tweaked his formation a bit and we regularly start in variations of 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, ... Formations with two midfielders rather than the three we were used to seeing last season. He is staying behind the ball a lot more often to give us that extra man when teams counter attack. It's no coincidence we've gone on a run where we conceded a lot less goals since he has been playing in that two man midfield.

      The thing is that what he is doing right now isn't really quantifiable in terms of statistics. They don't keep track of how often a player succesfully presses an opposition player into making a bad pass, how often he succesfully cuts off passing lanes not allowing teams to play through us and to get back in shape, how often he provides extra cover for our young full backs (almost always when a ball is played into a corner, he's there offering support), ... People may think I'm clutching at straws here to prove that he's an important player for us, but I'm really not. They can't all be Coutinho, Salah, ... A team needs balance and that's what he offers. He (and Chamberlain when he plays) give our attacking players the platform to play their game.

      I always think we look far worse in midfield whenever he doesn't start. These are the numbers of the games in the PL he hasn't started in:

      Win: 2 (Substitute in both games 2-4 Palace, 2-1 West Brom)
      Draw: 4
      Loss: 2 (Hull 2-0, Spurs 4-1)

      We've only won 2 games out of 8. Small sample, yes, you can make of it what you want.

      It's also quite remarkable that the people on here who do rate him, are people who attend the games on a regular basis. People who see him in the flesh and see what he does on the pitch. They have a far better view compared to what people see on the tv.
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      Reply #429: Dec 27, 2017 01:12:18 am
      I constantly see people wondering what it is exactly that he offers to our team. In my opinion he's a vital part of our team and the way we play. As far as midfielders go, he is probably one of the first names on the teamsheet for Klopp. Since he has been here, he has rarely missed a game and he doesn't get rotated that much.

      I rate him higher than all of our midfielders (not counting Coutinho) bar Lallana. He's far better on the ball than any of them, far more composed, cleaner in his passing, touches, ... And more importantly, he is probably, along with Lallana, one of our tactically most intelligent players. I think the main reason why people are wondering what his role is, is because his role has changed significantly compared to last season.

      Last season he was always in and around the box, making runs etc. chipping in with goals and assists on a pretty regular basis ending the season just short of double figures in both categories.

      This season however and certainly since the Spurs game, Klopp has tweaked his formation a bit and we regularly start in variations of 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, ... Formations with two midfielders rather than the three we were used to seeing last season. He is staying behind the ball a lot more often to give us that extra man when teams counter attack. It's no coincidence we've gone on a run where we conceded a lot less goals since he has been playing in that two man midfield.

      The thing is that what he is doing right now isn't really quantifiable in terms of statistics. They don't keep track of how often a player succesfully presses an opposition player into making a bad pass, how often he succesfully cuts off passing lanes not allowing teams to play through us and to get back in shape, how often he provides extra cover for our young full backs (almost always when a ball is played into a corner, he's there offering support), ... People may think I'm clutching at straws here to prove that he's an important player for us, but I'm really not. They can't all be Coutinho, Salah, ... A team needs balance and that's what he offers. He (and Chamberlain when he plays) give our attacking players the platform to play their game.

      I always think we look far worse in midfield whenever he doesn't start. These are the numbers of the games in the PL he hasn't started in:

      Win: 2 (Substitute in both games 2-4 Palace, 2-1 West Brom)
      Draw: 4
      Loss: 2 (Hull 2-0, Spurs 4-1)

      We've only won 2 games out of 8. Small sample, yes, you can make of it what you want.

      It's also quite remarkable that the people on here who do rate him, are people who attend the games on a regular basis. People who see him in the flesh and see what he does on the pitch. They have a far better view compared to what people see on the tv.

      I’ll have to take your word for it as I admittedly am still learning how to watch and what to watch out for even after 15 or so years watching European football.

      That said, I try to keep an eye on players that aren’t always the focal point like Coutinho, Salah, etc....guys like Ox, Gini, Can, etc.... so I do pay a lot of attention to what Gini is doing and for me he just doesn’t appear to make a discernible impact a lot of games. I may be wrong, that’s just what my eyes tell me.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #430: Dec 27, 2017 03:37:20 am
      That was GREAT Gini today. Just wish we got that more. He was my MOTM just for the work he put in off the ball. Beautiful performance
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      Reply #431: Dec 27, 2017 03:44:27 am
      I’ll have to take your word for it as I admittedly am still learning how to watch and what to watch out for even after 15 or so years watching European football.

      That said, I try to keep an eye on players that aren’t always the focal point like Coutinho, Salah, etc....guys like Ox, Gini, Can, etc.... so I do pay a lot of attention to what Gini is doing and for me he just doesn’t appear to make a discernible impact a lot of games. I may be wrong, that’s just what my eyes tell me.

      Don't have to take my word for it mate. I'm just telling it like I see it, just like you tell it like your eyes see it.

      What would you put under 'making a discernible impact'? Scoring goals? Assists? Defence splitting passes? Crunching tackles? He indeed doesn't do that anymore (mainly the goals and assists) since his role in the side has changed.

      Genuine question: when focusing on the player, do you only look at him when in possession and what he does when he is on the ball / what he does with the ball? Or do you also watch him when other teams have the ball or when teammates have the ball? I know Wijnaldum isn't flashy or fancy when he's in possession. Most of the time it's quick one or two touch passing and moving the ball forward, unless he's trying to slow down the tempo of the game to get everyone in position or to make sure he doesn't move forward too much. If you look at his position in relation to the ball compared to last season, most of the time this season he's either level with the ball to provide the extra passing option or he moves behind the ball in case the attack breaks down to immediately press / take in a position in front of our defenders depending on the situation.

      We are a pressing / attacking side. Positioning, shape, pressing, cutting off passing lanes is of paramount importance and they're all things happening when a player doesn't have the ball. They're also all things where Wijnaldum is very good at in my opinion.

      I'm hoping that people who attend the game want to give their opinion on Wijnaldum. Very interested to hear some of their views as they seem to rate Wijnaldum (most of the time).

      Either way, it will be very, very interesting to see what Klopp does with our midfield next season when Keita comes in. Keita - Wijnaldum, Keita - Lallana, Wijnaldum - Lallana (worked brillianty last season) are all good combinations.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #432: Dec 27, 2017 04:34:46 am
      Don't have to take my word for it mate. I'm just telling it like I see it, just like you tell it like your eyes see it.

      What would you put under 'making a discernible impact'? Scoring goals? Assists? Defence splitting passes? Crunching tackles? He indeed doesn't do that anymore (mainly the goals and assists) since his role in the side has changed.

      Genuine question: when focusing on the player, do you only look at him when in possession and what he does when he is on the ball / what he does with the ball? Or do you also watch him when other teams have the ball or when teammates have the ball? I know Wijnaldum isn't flashy or fancy when he's in possession. Most of the time it's quick one or two touch passing and moving the ball forward, unless he's trying to slow down the tempo of the game to get everyone in position or to make sure he doesn't move forward too much. If you look at his position in relation to the ball compared to last season, most of the time this season he's either level with the ball to provide the extra passing option or he moves behind the ball in case the attack breaks down to immediately press / take in a position in front of our defenders depending on the situation.

      We are a pressing / attacking side. Positioning, shape, pressing, cutting off passing lanes is of paramount importance and they're all things happening when a player doesn't have the ball. They're also all things where Wijnaldum is very good at in my opinion.

      I'm hoping that people who attend the game want to give their opinion on Wijnaldum. Very interested to hear some of their views as they seem to rate Wijnaldum (most of the time).

      Either way, it will be very, very interesting to see what Klopp does with our midfield next season when Keita comes in. Keita - Wijnaldum, Keita - Lallana, Wijnaldum - Lallana (worked brillianty last season) are all good combinations.
      Admittedly I’m watching him mostly with the ball as I expect him to be more positive and push our attack but I’ll keep my eyes open to how he is playing in the way that you described. Who knows, I might just learn something :D Cheers
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #433: Jan 01, 2018 05:22:55 pm
      Another completely forgetful performance, you don't even know he is on the pitch until he makes a error.

      Never seen a LFC midfielder who hides as much as Gini, has regressed badly from last season.

      The instance today where he was clear through onto goal and he just couldn't compose him to pull the trigger summed up his season so far.

      1 goal so far this season in the league Cup for a midfielder is poor.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #434: Jan 01, 2018 05:38:44 pm
      Another completely forgetful performance, you don't even know he is on the pitch until he makes a error.

      Never seen a LFC midfielder who hides as much as Gini, has regressed badly from last season.

      The instance today where he was clear through onto goal and he just couldn't compose him to pull the trigger summed up his season so far.

      1 goal so far this season in the league Cup for a midfielder is poor.

      Couldn't believe the panic that set in when he got into a good scoring opportunity, completely messed it up and then Solanke nearly sh*t himself. We were lucky the ball eventually fell to Ox who at least got a decent shot off and wasn't dallying around.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #435: Jan 01, 2018 06:30:33 pm
      Couldn't believe the panic that set in when he got into a good scoring opportunity, completely messed it up and then Solanke nearly sh*t himself. We were lucky the ball eventually fell to Ox who at least got a decent shot off and wasn't dallying around.
      Yeah mate seems to be a complete panic merchant. Takes to many touches in advanced positions and doesn’t look up.

      Funny, whenever I watched Newcastle he always stood out and looked a player full of confidence. Complete contrast since he’s been here.
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      Re: Georginio Wijnaldum Player Thread
      Reply #436: Jan 01, 2018 07:43:40 pm
      Tried watching him off the ball as Danzel noted and I’m still not seeing what he adds.

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