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      king kenny
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      Re: Mamadou Sakho to Crystal Palace
      Reply #184: Aug 18, 2017 06:11:14 pm
      Yeh because he was coming from injury all the time.  He was our best defender when he played!
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      Reply #185: Aug 18, 2017 06:34:25 pm
      Yeh because he was coming from injury all the time.  He was our best defender when he played!

      That's not how I or (for that matter) the managers saw it mate. I remember debating it here when Lovren was struggling before.

      He's one of those players that divides opinion because he has qualities........but for my money he scored one and caused 2 or even 3 vs Dortmund at Anfield.....We won't win big over a season with him in my humble.....

      Regardless it's clear the boss sees him as a bad seed (he has a chargesheet here and PSG to support this) so the rest is facile.
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      Reply #186: Aug 18, 2017 06:45:59 pm
      I don't think in my opinion this whole thing has anything to do with his ability.  My reading of the situation is when he was fit he was the managers first choice or thereabouts in his time here.  Obviously before his relationship has broken down with Klopp.   Klopp's problems are with his injuries and his attitude, me thinks. 

      You don't become player of the season in half a dozen games if you are not immensely talented.  Is it embarrassing for the other players who played the whole season?   Yes.  But hey it wasn't that the board voted him or fat sam.   He made them survive in the league in them games and it was against the top sides!




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      Reply #187: Aug 18, 2017 06:51:14 pm
      I don't think in my opinion this whole thing has anything to do with his ability.  My reading of the situation is when he was fit he was the managers first choice or thereabouts in his time here.  Obviously before his relationship has broken down with Klopp.   Klopp's problems are with his injuries and his attitude, me thinks. 

      You don't become player of the season in half a dozen games if you are not immensely talented.  Is it embarrassing for the other players who played the whole season?   Yes.  But hey it wasn't that the board voted him or fat sam.   He made them survive in the league in them games and it was against the top sides!






      Clearly we remember differently fella. Good luck to you.

      As for the Palace award - way, way more a crushing indictment of their squad than an endorsement of Mama.

      Being better than Lovren (in your opinion) still doesn't make him good enough and we should be aiming higher.

      100% comfortable with Jürgen's stance and have said so since day 1.
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      Reply #188: Aug 18, 2017 07:10:43 pm
      If pulis signs him he'll probably play him up front 🤣🤣
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      Re: Mamadou Sakho to Crystal Palace
      Reply #189: Aug 19, 2017 08:09:12 am
      If West Brom want £30mill for Evans then they can fork out more than that for Mama.
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      Reply #190: Aug 19, 2017 10:30:54 am
      If pulis signs him he'll probably play him up front 🤣🤣
      Nah... he'd be signing Caulker if that's what he's after. 😁😛
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      Reply #191: Aug 19, 2017 12:24:01 pm
      Nah... he'd be signing Caulker if that's what he's after. 😁😛


      That was certainly an odd one wasn't it mate. The man who was/is 100% in control of all comings and goings picks up a guy on loan who everyone thought was a centre back and then plays him up top. Almost like he saw him in training and thought "f*** me this guy ain't as good as I originally thought as a centre half after all". Then though, what with our squad being so strong and all that Jürgen thought "f*** it we'll play him as a centre forward".

      Outside the box thinking, you gotta love it. That is obviously of you're not a fan of the "square pegs in round holes" scenario, although you probably had enough on your plate working around Milner at left back all season not to bother too much about Caulker.
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      Reply #192: Aug 20, 2017 07:00:30 pm
      de Boer has said he is not interested in Sakho staying at CP.

      Now what?
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      Reply #193: Aug 20, 2017 07:07:20 pm
      Let's face it - most players character can be called into question.  I find it hard to square Sakho's alleged misdemeanours with Coutinho handing in a transfer request - yet if he's still here on September 2nd then Coutinho will no doubt be parachuted straight back into the team with everything forgotten.

      Sakho should be playing ahead of Lovren.

      Yeah but to be fair, Coutinho has such an innocent little face and Mama looks like trouble ;D
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      Reply #194: Aug 20, 2017 07:14:22 pm
      Clearly we remember differently fella. Good luck to you.

      As for the Palace award - way, way more a crushing indictment of their squad than an endorsement of Mama.

      Being better than Lovren (in your opinion) still doesn't make him good enough and we should be aiming higher.

      100% comfortable with Jürgen's stance and have said so since day 1.

      In my opinion Mama is the perfect player to make into a scape goat.  A very very good player (IMO).  But doesn't solve problems because of his injuries.  When in the team we are constantly dipping into the squad for 3rd and 4th choice because of his constant injury problems, add the issues of his attitude and it gives the manager a perfect player to hang to dry and lets the entire squad know the consequences of getting on the wrong side of him.  If it can happen to one of the best defenders when we are desperate for a defender  it can happen to anyone. 

      I too stand with the manager it his decision and am comfortable with it.  Though if he (Mama) is still here after the window closes, might criticise the manager for not making best use of his available resources.  But until now, I haven't criticised the manager on this issue.
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      Reply #195: Aug 23, 2017 01:37:17 am
      We need 4 first team central defenders competing for these spots if we are going to consistently challenge for anything.

      Even if we sell Mama, we're going to have to replace him and still bring in another CB. imo, Klavan, while a good player. Should not be part of that 4 and Gomez is too young to tell if he can cut it. We sold Lucas.

      Basically, we're truly buggered if we dont sign a CB this window.

      Unless he somehow had Klopp nudes... letting Sahko sit and rot is cutting our nose off to spite our face. But apparently to some he was always rubbish and we were better off without him
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      Reply #196: Aug 23, 2017 10:08:59 am
      de Boer has said he is not interested in Sakho staying at CP.

      What he actually said was that Mamadou Sakho is "much too expensive."

      "Everybody knows he had a major impact last season and, when he's available for us, I think that is a quality injection for the club," he told reporters. "It is not like this now because he is much too expensive for the club."

      Sources told ESPN FC in January that Liverpool were seeking £20 million for Sakho, but both The Guardian and Liverpool Echo report that the price tag is now £30m for the France centre-back, who has been frozen out under Jürgen Klopp.

      http://www.espn.co.uk/football/soccer-transfers/story/3185066/liverpools-mamadou-sakho-much-too-expensive-palace-boss-frank-de-boer
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      Reply #199: Aug 23, 2017 05:47:58 pm
      Thank f**k for that, that just leaves Markovich.

      I'd rather play Markovic as our #10 than Coutinho!!!
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      Reply #200: Aug 23, 2017 05:51:42 pm
      I'd rather play Markovic as our #10 than Coutinho!!!

      And ironically I'd rather send Markovic for a haircut
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      Reply #201: Aug 23, 2017 06:24:28 pm
      That was certainly an odd one wasn't it mate. The man who was/is 100% in control of all comings and goings picks up a guy on loan who everyone thought was a centre back and then plays him up top. Almost like he saw him in training and thought "f*** me this guy ain't as good as I originally thought as a centre half after all". Then though, what with our squad being so strong and all that Jürgen thought "f*** it we'll play him as a centre forward".

      Outside the box thinking, you gotta love it. That is obviously of you're not a fan of the "square pegs in round holes" scenario, although you probably had enough on your plate working around Milner at left back all season not to bother too much about Caulker.

      When Caulker was loaned in, we had this big rash of injuries and sickness in the back. We had a bigger squad at that point because he hadn't offloaded anyone yet. Klopp hadn't been in England more than a couple of months and we had League Cup semifinals, FA Cup beginning and Premier League and Europa League matches. Somebody probably recommended him as an emergency option and that's all he was ever intended to be. I recallhim being surprised to learn Caulker couldn't play in the FA Cup replay because he hadn't been signed before the first tie.

      He played up top maybe twice, and then only as a very late sub on when we needed a goal to draw level or win. There was never a project to change his position. In that Norwich City game, he came on late to try and win a header. When we scored, he was moved back and the comm mentions something about he's being told by his teammates to man-mark someone. Then they score (because he didn't mark very well) and he goes up top where we see heading the ball to no avail before Lallana scores the winner. When we started getting guys back and the fixture list thinned a bit (just a bit as we were still in Europa League), he wasn't even making the squad and was allowed to leave the club before the season ended (I think this is when his personal problems were starting to kick in). Anyway, the player is not really a case study in Klopp's transfer dealings.
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      Reply #202: Aug 24, 2017 02:39:02 pm
      When Caulker was loaned in, we had this big rash of injuries and sickness in the back. We had a bigger squad at that point because he hadn't offloaded anyone yet. Klopp hadn't been in England more than a couple of months and we had League Cup semifinals, FA Cup beginning and Premier League and Europa League matches. Somebody probably recommended him as an emergency option and that's all he was ever intended to be. I recallhim being surprised to learn Caulker couldn't play in the FA Cup replay because he hadn't been signed before the first tie.

      He played up top maybe twice, and then only as a very late sub on when we needed a goal to draw level or win. There was never a project to change his position. In that Norwich City game, he came on late to try and win a header. When we scored, he was moved back and the comm mentions something about he's being told by his teammates to man-mark someone. Then they score (because he didn't mark very well) and he goes up top where we see heading the ball to no avail before Lallana scores the winner. When we started getting guys back and the fixture list thinned a bit (just a bit as we were still in Europa League), he wasn't even making the squad and was allowed to leave the club before the season ended (I think this is when his personal problems were starting to kick in). Anyway, the player is not really a case study in Klopp's transfer dealings.


      The narrative suits his agenda though mate.
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      Reply #203: Aug 25, 2017 01:03:53 pm
      Anyway, the player is not really a case study in Klopp's transfer dealings.

      Hence your essay on the subject. 😂😂

      Joking aside: The fact that Caulker was probably recommended to Jürgen (along with the fact he had never seen Marko Grujić kick a ball til after he signed), for e.g. only proves that folk who insisted JK was in "total control..." were wrong.

      And that my friend, was the point.

      Listen: the penny has long since dropped (with all rational folk) that Jürgen has neither the "final say" or is in "total control of transfers" - the money men do and he said as much recently.  😊

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      Reply #204: Aug 25, 2017 01:57:40 pm
      Hence your essay on the subject. 😂😂

      Joking aside: The fact that Caulker was probably recommended to Jürgen (along with the fact he had never seen Marko Grujić kick a ball til after he signed), for e.g. only proves that folk who insisted JK was in "total control..." were wrong.

      And that my friend, was the point.

      Listen: the penny has long since dropped (with all rational folk) that Jürgen has neither the "final say" or is in "total control of transfers" - the money men do and he said as much recently.  😊



       :lmao: "The point" is a foreign concept to some people mate.

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      Reply #205: Aug 25, 2017 03:30:23 pm
      Hence your essay on the subject. 😂😂

      Joking aside: The fact that Caulker was probably recommended to Jürgen (along with the fact he had never seen Marko Grujić kick a ball til after he signed), for e.g. only proves that folk who insisted JK was in "total control..." were wrong.

      And that my friend, was the point.

      Listen: the penny has long since dropped (with all rational folk) that Jürgen has neither the "final say" or is in "total control of transfers" - the money men do and he said as much recently.  😊

      If that was the point, then yes, you are absolutely correct, and having believed his words before, I have learned from the Coutinho business that I was wrong to do so.
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      Reply #206: Aug 25, 2017 03:36:40 pm
      :lmao: "The point" is a foreign concept to some people mate.

      I'll take bubby's word for it on what he meant with his Caulker reference.

      IN any reasonable understanding of English vocabulary and syntax, the point of your post, the one I answered, was not about Klopp being in control of transfers. Every thing in there is about him playing up top, like he didn't know his true position, even referencing Milner playing left back. I'm not in lockstep with some school of thought, but cheap shot ridicule is a poor substitute for rational argument.

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