Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #529: Aug 01, 2017 11:53:57 am

Quote from The Real Donavan Ried on Aug 01, 2017 10:31:45 am

Think you missed my point... The point was not that Liverpool put the price on him, it was that such a figure was put out there... Why not £120m ? or £140m,£150m even, Such a precise figure...£133m Looks as if this figure was worked out as the figure needed to complete this windows signs

I haven't missed the point at all. But it's a rumour, there's so many rumours going around about players and they all condradict each other. Don't pay too much attention to it. So what if one rumour is saying 133mill. Apparently we would be signing Keita for 50mill, then it was 60odd and then it went to 70.

It's all a load of sh*t. Klopp has said he's not for sale and that there is no other interpretation of that so as far as I am concerned, he's the only one I am paying attention to, not all these rumour of people spouting crap in the hope they are right just so they can claim to be "in the know".

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #530: Aug 01, 2017 12:36:22 pm

Pretty emphatic "no" from Klopp in his presser.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #531: Aug 01, 2017 01:13:12 pm

Quote from Chico Banderas on Aug 01, 2017 11:43:25 am

Is it confirmed that the club mentioned a specific price.? If we did, it WOULD be telling but, if there's zero actual confirmation it suggests that EVERYTHING is media fabrication and, that we've simply been forced to respond.. (Gaffer in interviews)

The latter is still likely.

Newspaper callee Sport in Spain said that. I have no idea if it is a good source, but it sounds a lot like the Spanish version of daily sport. Rather listen to Klopp than this. As far as I am concerned the price tag is fake news.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #532: Aug 01, 2017 01:59:49 pm

Quote from crouchinho on Aug 01, 2017 12:36:22 pm

Pretty emphatic "no" from Klopp in his presser.

Seriously...don't know why this is even a discussion at this point. Klopp has made it clear that Coutinho is not for sale, so if he goes at this point, either Klopp is a liar, or he doesn't really have the final say on players like he says he does. Either of those situations is way worse long term than losing Coutinho.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #533: Aug 01, 2017 02:23:49 pm

Chico, Riba, FL,
How many times have we hear a manager of a team say that a player is not for sale only to see them go in the same window...?
I believe Klopp when he says that Coutinho is not for sale, I truly do, but who say that the last word is down to Jürgen...?
Yes I believe that FSG want Klopp at Liverpool, But I believe that they would have no qualms about ridding them selves of him if he starts to become an anchor around their neck, and again the fact that the price of £133m was mentioned, this I believe had to come from someone working for FSG £133m equates to £148 euros, If it had been the papers then why not say that it was 150 euros?? Again the figure just seems to be too precise to be made up by the press... The price may not of come from Klopp, or LFC but it came from someone at the club, and as for source... Not everyone names their source through fear of losing said source and future story's

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #534: Aug 01, 2017 02:25:41 pm

Quote from The Real Donavan Ried on Aug 01, 2017 02:23:49 pm

How many times have we hear a manager of a team say that a player is not for sale only to see them go in the same window...?
I believe Klopp when he says that Coutinho is not for sale, I truly do, but who say that the last word is down to Jürgen...?
Yes I believe that FSG want Klopp at Liverpool, But I believe that they would have no qualms about ridding them selves of him if he starts to become an anchor around their neck, and again the fact that the price of £133m was mentioned, this I believe had to come from someone working for FSG £133m equates to £148 euros, If it had been the papers then why not say that it was 150 euros?? Again the figure just seems to be too precise to be made up by the press... The price may not of come from Klopp, or LFC but it came from someone at the club, and as for source... Not everyone names their source through fear of losing said source and future story's

I think you're trying to read too much into something that isn't there. This £133m if I'm not mistaken was brought up as a conversion from a 150m euros figure that was on some Spanish newspaper

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #535: Aug 01, 2017 02:27:51 pm

Quote from Diego LFC on Aug 01, 2017 02:25:41 pm

I think you're trying to read too much into something that isn't there. This £133m if I'm not mistaken was brought up as a conversion from a 150m euros figure that was on some Spanish newspaper

Quite how someone jumps from a report in a Spanish newspaper to "it must have come from someone at the club" is beyond me.

Silly season gets worse every year.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #536: Aug 01, 2017 02:30:20 pm

From what I remember and have been able to find on a quick google search, Spanish newspaper Sport are the source of that 150m euros figure: http://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/liverpool-name-their-price-for-coutinho-6192659

It was then converted by multiple other newspapers to £133m, hence the "very specific" figure

Sport (for Barcelona) and Marca (for Real Madrid) are not exactly known for being reliable sources... and 150m isn't all that specific an amount

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #537: Aug 01, 2017 02:57:25 pm

Quote from The Real Donavan Ried on Aug 01, 2017 02:23:49 pm

Chico, Riba, FL,
How many times have we hear a manager of a team say that a player is not for sale only to see them go in the same window...?
I believe Klopp when he says that Coutinho is not for sale, I truly do, but who say that the last word is down to Jürgen...?
Yes I believe that FSG want Klopp at Liverpool, But I believe that they would have no qualms about ridding them selves of him if he starts to become an anchor around their neck, and again the fact that the price of £133m was mentioned, this I believe had to come from someone working for FSG £133m equates to £148 euros, If it had been the papers then why not say that it was 150 euros?? Again the figure just seems to be too precise to be made up by the press... The price may not of come from Klopp, or LFC but it came from someone at the club, and as for source... Not everyone names their source through fear of losing said source and future story's

Grab yer tinfoil hat, your brain waves are seeping out.....

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #538: Aug 01, 2017 04:27:17 pm

Quote from Scottbot on Jul 31, 2017 08:44:39 pm

The top part of your post (the bit about being a desirable destination for top players (remember they cost money and ask for big wages) doesn't resonate so well with the bottom part (i.e. It's best we go down the sustainable route of building from within and not throwing money around like all those other clubs who have come a cropper with said approach). I'm struggling to see how the two can go hand in hand? Also, it's our failure to go and get the best talent (or some of it) that ultimately leads to the likes of Torres, Mascherano, Suarez and potentially Coutinho to want to leave for pastures new.

I see where you are coming and thank you for responding.

My responses,

1 They don't coincide only if you don't think the manager can win by working with largely the existing staff and only making targeted buys (Mane, Gini, Salah, hopefully a top-rate center back).

2. Do you notice any different vibe (or confidence in management) among the players at the club now than pre-Klopp?

3. Do you think Coutinho lacks belief that Klopp is attempting to or capable of building a title winner?

4. Currently (not pre-Klopp), what constitutes getting "some of" the best talent for this Liverpool team? How many more buys do you think need to occur for this team to be a title contender?

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #539: Aug 01, 2017 09:43:45 pm

Quote from Diego LFC on Aug 01, 2017 02:30:20 pm

From what I remember and have been able to find on a quick google search, Spanish newspaper Sport are the source of that 150m euros figure: http://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/liverpool-name-their-price-for-coutinho-6192659

It was then converted by multiple other newspapers to £133m, hence the "very specific" figure

Sport (for Barcelona) and Marca (for Real Madrid) are not exactly known for being reliable sources... and 150m isn't all that specific an amount

From the same article you put in your post.... "Liverpool see the Brazilian star as a key player at the club and have valued him at €150 million. A figure that has nothing to do with the player’s value but is intended to scare off interested clubs. It’s not Barça who are interested in the player, PSG are looking at him too."...

http://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/liverpool-name-their-price-for-coutinho-6192659

Very much sounds like someone at the club to me

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #540: Aug 01, 2017 10:16:46 pm

I don't care what it sounds like. The smell of it is crystal clear.

Get your shovels out fellas. Time to shovel through more BS again.

« *Last Edit: Aug 01, 2017 11:06:54 pm by Robby The Z* »

Barcelona blocking the payment of a 26 million bonus to Neymar because of possible move to PSG.

This whole thing is beyond madness.

EDIT: I guess this is a loyalty bonus,but I'm not 100 percent clear on that. So obviously a 20 percent fee on a 222 million transfer is greater than a 26 million loyalty bonus - all numbers that are mind-blowing.

The president of LA Liga now saying this transfer won't happen because of FFP, but I don't know if this is just him talking out of his wazoo.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #542: Aug 01, 2017 11:42:38 pm

Quote from The Real Donavan Ried on Aug 01, 2017 09:43:45 pm

From the same article you put in your post.... "Liverpool see the Brazilian star as a key player at the club and have valued him at €150 million. A figure that has nothing to do with the player’s value but is intended to scare off interested clubs. It’s not Barça who are interested in the player, PSG are looking at him too."...

http://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/liverpool-name-their-price-for-coutinho-6192659

Very much sounds like someone at the club to me

Gullible fool. Believe that.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #543: Aug 01, 2017 11:51:47 pm

Quote from Robby The Z on Aug 01, 2017 10:32:08 pm

Barcelona blocking the payment of a 26 million bonus to Neymar because of possible move to PSG.

This whole thing is beyond madness.

EDIT: I guess this is a loyalty bonus,but I'm not 100 percent clear on that. So obviously a 20 percent fee on a 222 million transfer is greater than a 26 million loyalty bonus - all numbers that are mind-blowing.

The president of LA Liga now saying this transfer won't happen because of FFP, but I don't know if this is just him talking out of his wazoo.

Those 26 million are supposed to be paid to Neymar's father because of his role in convincing Neymar to sign a contract extention last year.

Apparently the deal is that his father gets the Money if Neymar is still a Barcelona player on Aug 1ts (today) but Barcelona are saying that if Neymar goes he only gets 1/5th of those 26 million.

Awful way if doing business, I'm glad PSG is doing what they're doing to that horrible club, even if its just unsettling them.

As for the FPP what the Spanish press is saying is than PSG cannot pay the release clause without braking FFP regulations, since apparently they don't have that money available (Neymar has to also pay taxes so its about 300 million total). They set those tags thinking nobody is going to pay them, well surprise surprise, one team is willing to pay it and they don't know what to do.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #544: Aug 02, 2017 09:25:17 am

Well, according to BBC, Neymar is off to PSG.

If he signs for PSG then more than likely we will lose Coutinho. FSH loves $$$.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #545: Aug 02, 2017 09:35:58 am

Quote from RobieSlick on Aug 02, 2017 09:25:17 am

Well, according to BBC, Neymar is off to PSG.

So that's at least one 'South American' [out of the "all South Americans"] who's ultimate goal isn't to play for Barca or Madrid.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #546: Aug 02, 2017 09:40:43 am

Quote from bad boy bubby on Aug 02, 2017 09:35:58 am

So that's at least one 'South American' [out of the "all South Americans"] who's ultimate goal isn't to play for Barca or Madrid.

Haha. I could understand if he was joing LFC from Barcelona but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuking PSG!

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #547: Aug 02, 2017 09:57:26 am

Quote from Ribapuru on Aug 01, 2017 11:42:38 pm

Gullible fool. Believe that.

Can you not count...? or when you put two and two together you end up with three...

Again.... "Liverpool see the Brazilian star as a key player at the club and have valued him at €150 million. A figure that has nothing to do with the player’s value but is intended to scare off interested clubs. It’s not Barça who are interested in the player, PSG are looking at him too."...
Let me give you a Clue It is not so much for what the article is saying, It is the fact that there are quotation marks.... Still not getting it...? They are employed when it is a quote from someone... Which means someone said it, someone associated with the club if you pay attention to what is said... Now it many not of come from Klopp or those around him, but someone is saying, or hinting that if an offer of that amount was made they may get thier man... You can view it any way that you wish.... Now that fact that Barca can find £89+m to bid for Coutinho, If they sell Neymar which looks more and more likely they will have another £177+m they need only to add £60+m to seriously test our resolve... Can yo see our owners turning down £150m for a players they spent £8.5m to buy...? They know that a player, whether it be Baseball, Basketball, American Football or Scorer is only one tackle away from a career threatening injury ...The money would be too vast for them to turn down

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #548: Aug 02, 2017 10:03:50 am

Quote from FL Red on Aug 01, 2017 01:59:49 pm

Seriously...don't know why this is even a discussion at this point. Klopp has made it clear that Coutinho is not for sale, so if he goes at this point, either Klopp is a liar, or he doesn't really have the final say on players like he says he does. Either of those situations is way worse long term than losing Coutinho.

Of course it's one for discussion mate. Yes Klopp has said the player isn't going anywhere (and that gives me confidence) BUT we know that Barca is about to be absolutely flush with cash, we don't know whether Coutinho himself will rock the boat (I don't think it's his nature but I still would not be surprised if we see a reaction from him should the club turn down a bid in excess of £100 million). And lastly this is is the FSG and our recent history involves us selling the best player at the club every couple of years. Taking all that into account I think it is very much something to discuss. Also, the absence of any business regards players coming in doesn't help matters I.e. We Could be discussing new players coming in.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #549: Aug 02, 2017 10:46:38 am

Klopp said twice that he will stay, he will need to do something if we lose him because the fans will demand something special.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #550: Aug 02, 2017 10:55:31 am

Quote from clint_call01 on Aug 02, 2017 10:46:38 am

Klopp said twice that he will stay, he will need to do something if we lose him because the fans will demand something special.

If we sell Cou we're screwed it's as simple as that. We don't have any other midfielder that comes even close to his level of creativity.

Lose your only world class player suffer the consequences.

*Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)* → Reply #551: Aug 02, 2017 11:04:37 am

Quote from bazspeedman on Aug 02, 2017 10:55:31 am

If we sell Cou we're screwed it's as simple as that. We don't have any other midfielder that comes even close to his level of creativity.

Lose your only world class player suffer the consequences.

This, getting £150m means nothing because we won't be able to get someone as near as good.

That's the facts... you don't sell your best players. If RedBull can do it, then so can we.

NOT FOR SALE

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