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      Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2461: Aug 21, 2017 09:46:23 pm
      When all of this 'agent' thing began, after the 'Bosman' stuff,  Football died, and the parasite world was born. With all the new money being generated, Barca and the likes, court the players hangers on with wealth and promises of new players to manage, to try to get them to convnince 'thier' target to sign.  Coutinho, was badly advised, because it was'nt for the player, but for the greedy bas**rds, who are so called, looking after him.  They are looking for another payday.  Over to you Phil,

      We can blame the agents and their greed all we want, in the end it's still the player who has to make the final decision to either tell the board he's F***ing off or staying and wether he wants to kick a fuss at the training ground / refuse to play in games.

      I have no problem at all with players allowing themselves to be represented by someone who is probably way smarter than them and better than them at negotiating the best possible deals for their clients.

      What I do have a problem with is when players let their agents cloud their judgement and try to get a move that's clearly not in their best interests, but in the interests of their agent (Pogba for example). I sometimes really wonder what goes through players' heads when stuff like this happens. I'd have paid to have had a look in Phil's mind the past few weeks. I actually think he's genuinely emberrassed by the whole situation. Call me naive after all that's happened, but I think he's still a decent lad. A stupid one at that, but oh well... What do we really expect of all these overpaid footballers eh?
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      Reply #2462: Aug 21, 2017 09:49:08 pm
      If there was any intention of doing a Sakho, he'd have been sold, end of story.

      He'll come back in to the squad once he's licked his wounds and most probably Klopps arse, then it will be business as usual.
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      Reply #2463: Aug 21, 2017 09:51:47 pm
      If there was any intention of doing a Sakho, he'd have been sold, end of story.

      He'll come back in to the squad once he's licked his wounds and most probably Klopps arse, then it will be business as usual.

      Yup...Jürgen is not a mug....once he back in you run him like a racehorse until his legs fall off.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2464: Aug 21, 2017 10:00:03 pm
      If there was any intention of doing a Sakho, he'd have been sold, end of story.

      Not if the owners decided otherwise. IMO some of the answers Klopp was giving to the situation was as if he was fed up of it and would be prepared to let him go but it wasn't his decision. Pretty much all but confirmed he doesn't actually have the final say
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      Reply #2465: Aug 21, 2017 10:05:27 pm
      Not if the owners decided otherwise. IMO some of the answers Klopp was giving to the situation was as if he was fed up of it

      Over £80m guaranteed sat in the stands or out on loan, make no mistake all T's and I's have been crossed/dotted on this one from owners to manager.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2466: Aug 21, 2017 11:23:37 pm
      0-0 Coutinho scores YEEEA!
      3-0 Coutinho scores  :f_whistle: :f_whistle: :f_whistle: don't give a ****.  rather it be a player I still like.
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      Reply #2467: Aug 21, 2017 11:24:39 pm
      Over £80m guaranteed sat in the stands or out on loan, make no mistake all T's and I's have been crossed/dotted on this one from owners to manager.
      Out that 80m, 16m was offered up front. The rest over 5 years...
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      Reply #2468: Aug 21, 2017 11:30:34 pm
      If there was any intention of doing a Sakho, he'd have been sold, end of story.

      Imagine we didn't sell him for 118mill only for Klopp to freeze him out ... that would be the icing on the cake of this window alright :)
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2469: Aug 22, 2017 01:24:18 am

      Yes, but he is our c**t and we will have him in the team in a blink of an eye.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2470: Aug 22, 2017 01:35:25 am
      Nah he's not, he's young and he's  been manipulated by a c**t of a club, a c**t of an agent and I presume a c**t of a brother. If he knuckles down and works hard and delivers results then he'll earn my respect again very quickly.

      Easily influenced these lads, Neymar by his dad, remember Anelka at Arsenal by his brother. I guess its true, the average IQ of a footballer these days is 1!
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2471: Aug 22, 2017 01:35:48 am
      On other note, if I was Coutinho and Barcelona came calling, my head would be turned too. What has LFC (or truthfully FSG) done to keep him here? We have signed no one of significance.

      Hey Phil, whom do you want to play with? Messi or Henderson? Suarez or Wijnuldum? Gerard Pique or Lovren? Iniesta or Origi? Do you see where I am getting at? Are we building a team for future around Phil? No.

      Also, he didn't come out with disparaing remarks about LFC. He handed in his transfer request and asked for a move to Barcelona. He has not said I will not play for Liverpool again, go on strike, etc. Also, if I remember rightly, he had the back injury before Barcelona came in for him.

      Quite simply, we can't so without Phil this season if we want finish at least 6th in PL otherwise we may end up below the bitters.

      So finally, I would have Phil in my team as soon as he is fit. Simples.
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      Reply #2472: Aug 22, 2017 01:41:58 am
      Iniesta wants out! Messi is thinking about it.  They are after a 20 year old and Real Madrid's rejects!  Hahahahahahahahahahhahah ahahhahahahaha!
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2473: Aug 22, 2017 01:57:05 am
      On other note, if I was Coutinho and Barcelona came calling, my head would be turned too. What has LFC (or truthfully FSG) done to keep him here? We have signed no one of significance.

      Hey Phil, whom do you want to play with? Messi or Henderson? Suarez or Wijnuldum? Gerard Pique or Lovren? Iniesta or Origi? Do you see where I am getting at? Are we building a team for future around Phil? No.

      Also, he didn't come out with disparaing remarks about LFC. He handed in his transfer request and asked for a move to Barcelona. He has not said I will not play for Liverpool again, go on strike, etc. Also, if I remember rightly, he had the back injury before Barcelona came in for him.

      Quite simply, we can't so without Phil this season if we want finish at least 6th in PL otherwise we may end up below the bitters.

      So finally, I would have Phil in my team as soon as he is fit. Simples.

      Yeah man.

      I honestly don't think Phil Coutinho handed in a transfer request the day before our first game of the season off his own back.

      Agent is a renowned tw*t. Phil comes across as a little bit thick and will have been getting told by Barca it's now or never.

      He's not innocent in this at all but there's a lot more to this than meets the eye.

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      Reply #2474: Aug 22, 2017 02:17:07 am
      Yeah man.

      I honestly don't think Phil Coutinho handed in a transfer request the day before our first game of the season off his own back.

      Agent is a renowned tw*t. Phil comes across as a little bit thick and will have been getting told by Barca it's now or never.

      He's not innocent in this at all but there's a lot more to this than meets the eye.



      Agree Phil may not be innocent in all this but without him we are sh*te and need him more than ever.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2475: Aug 22, 2017 04:30:40 am
      ;D

      So everyone around hims a c**t but he's just an innocent young boy?

      F**k off he's a c**t.

      He'll never have my respect again, and I'll be happy next summer when he leaves on our terms

      Yeah, he's lost that bit of respect from me to.

      I couldn't give a F**k if he was the biggest c**t on earth and chomped on the ears of the opposition, long gone are the days of this sport being a personality contest. See it for what it is - a mutual contract that benefits both parties. All the nostalgic romance left this game long ago, so I'm completely OK for this "c**t" to represent us again if he shows the same on field professionalism as we know he can.

      Let's be fair, we'd never have replaced him in this window so pragmatically this is in the best interest of the club we support.
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      Reply #2476: Aug 22, 2017 06:09:08 am
      On other note, if I was Coutinho and Barcelona came calling, my head would be turned too. What has LFC (or truthfully FSG) done to keep him here? We have signed no one of significance.

      I'm not so sure about this. He's had a team built around him to bring the best out of him. Mane and Salah have come in to compliment him and we play with a striker who he uses as a pivot to play his natural game. That's quite a show of confidence from the manager.

      I've no doubt he'll play in the centre of midfield this season to increase his impact even more.

      So while I see why he would have his head turned by Barca, i'm not so sure it's our fault. Barcelona have come calling for him - that's generally enough for any player, let alone a South American.

      If he were leaving for Juventus, Bayern or someone then yeah I'd agree.
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      Reply #2477: Aug 22, 2017 07:45:22 am
      At the end of the day ...its night time  ;D


      I can understand some you guy's are pissed with Phill I get it, he has tarnished the feelings most had for him, but we all know that loyalty is not exactly at the front of these prima dona's minds these days,

      It's well documented that most South American fancy Dan's ultimate is to ply their wares in La Liga with either of the big two,
      Coutinho is no different, we all know he'd be wanting to do so the same...eventually, so again it's understandable why in his mind that this was his opportunity.....

      Put yourself in his boots, add all the mis-advice from his tw*t agent, the 'it's now or never'  claim, words that would easily turn his head,
      I can't or don't blame Phill at all , what I am pissed about is his timing but again that's not entirely down to him either,

      If Barca came in earlier then things might have different but then I don't think even they thought Neymar would have said Oui to PSG ,

      Anyhoo, I guess it is what it is and we have Phill for another season at least, and I gotta be honest I'm glad we have, don't know about anyone else but we have missed him, missed his dynamics & creativity last 3 games, and I'm betting once the dust settles and he's back in the fold all those haters out there will have a very different opinion, especially if he thunders a 35 yard winner against MUtants or Blueshite, that's icing on the cake for me.

      Most on these boards will know how I feel about FSG ,  I got to be honest I thought they would have caved in to Barca particularly after the offering over the £100m mark, so credit where it's due, they dug their heels in and didn't budge, that could be a good sign that they WILL NOT  be fu**ed with when it comes to our best players, or it could just be that on this occasion the timing was just wrong,

      Guess we'll all know next summer  !!


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      Reply #2478: Aug 22, 2017 07:46:50 am
      This thread is so big I can't remember if there were any direct quotes from him about the whole affair or if it was just dodgy journalism at best, and Catalan journalism more likely.
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      Reply #2479: Aug 22, 2017 08:35:53 am
      Most on these boards will know how I feel about FSG ,  I got to be honest I thought they would have caved in to Barca particularly after the offering over the £100m mark, so credit where it's due, they dug their heels in and didn't budge, that could be a good sign that they WILL NOT  be fu**ed with when it comes to our best players, or it could just be that on this occasion the timing was just wrong,

      Guess we'll all know next summer  !!


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      Na make no mistake if the upfront payment was anything close to £100m they would have bit their hands off.

      The fact is was reportedly £16m only up front with the rest over 5 years or whatever it was makes the decision easy for them.

      They will be hurting very bad at this moment.
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      Reply #2480: Aug 22, 2017 09:02:34 am
      They will be hurting very bad at this moment.

       ;D :mad: :mad: :mad:
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      Reply #2481: Aug 22, 2017 09:38:06 am
      As fans of a great football club, we have an expectation that the players should feel privileged to pull on the famous red jersey (a la Shanks, Paisley ,etc.) and that all players should be loyal to Liverpool.  But loyalty is a 2-way street.  For every Suarez & Torres who we want to keep, there's a David Thompson or even a Robbie Fowler who would have loved to stay at the club before being sold.

      My point is that it's largely the best players we want to be loyal to us and we maybe aren't so bothered by those that aren't playing how we hoped.  The club is only loyal to those performing as they'd like and these are the players that attract the attention of other clubs.

      I've not been truly gutted about the loss of play since Beardsley went.  Suarez - as soon as the WC bite happened, it was as if we had no choice but to boot him after everything he did.  Torres, as great as was for a few years, was on the decline the last 12 months or so and £50M for him at that point was amongst the best pieces of business we've ever done IMO.

      As far as Coutinho is concerned, he made all the right noises up until the Barca debacle and I believe he meant what he'd said about his affinity with the club.  However, love them or loathe them, Barca are a more attractive proposition to play for than Liverpool in this day and age (unless you're a Liverpool or Madrid fan!), so it's easy to see how his head was turned.  Like most on here, I'm not happy with how he's seemingly conducted himself since handing the request in.

      It seems we've played hardball, though and that he's now going to be staying, so assuming his manager & teammates are okay with him, it's in the best interests of the club to back our best player (alongside Mane).

      Sign VVD now and I'll be optimistic of our chances of doing something this season.

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      Reply #2482: Aug 22, 2017 09:56:24 am
      Sign VVD now and I'll be optimistic of our chances of doing something this season.
      Not just you Skamp (so I'm not having a go) but that 'sign VvD and I'll be happy' seems to be a theme that has developed lately. At least you have hinted at why but...

      That "something" you're optimistic about us doing Skamp, what is it; the title, a trophy a top four finish? 🤔

       
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2483: Aug 22, 2017 09:58:04 am
      Na make no mistake if the upfront payment was anything close to £100m they would have bit their hands off.

      The fact is was reportedly £16m only up front with the rest over 5 years or whatever it was makes the decision easy for them.

      They will be hurting very bad at this moment.

      Barcelona will be hurting bad, well yes I agree, good job that you aren't a fan of them because their signings this summer are even worse than ours!! ;-)

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