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      Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3266: Sep 02, 2017 08:09:19 pm
      Barca players in bold that will be retired soon, with their ages.

                        Suarez 30   

      Messi 30                      Dembele 20

      Iniesta 33  Busquets 29  Rakitic 29

      Alba 28 Pique 30 Untiti 23  Samedo 23

                    Ter  Sergen 25

       :lmao:

      Liverpool players

           Mane 25     Firmino 25    Salah 25

                            Coutinho 25
                    Can 23           Gini 26

      TAA 18   Matip 26   Lovren 28       Roberton 23

                            Karius 24

      If we get Barca in knockout stages, the last 20 minutes will be nice.

      The first 70 mins Barca will tear us a new one
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3267: Sep 02, 2017 08:11:20 pm
      The first 70 mins Barca will tear us a new one
      Their defence is hardly good.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3268: Sep 02, 2017 08:28:21 pm
      Just saw his goal for Brazil from the other night.

      Those 'tears' afterward. A truly pathetic sight.
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      Reply #3269: Sep 02, 2017 08:49:41 pm
      Just saw his goal for Brazil from the other night.

      Those 'tears' afterward. A truly pathetic sight.

      Didn't actually see the end of the celebration, just saw his face put into his shirt and imagined the ending might be pitiful, cheers for confirming.

      Fallen an awful long way in my estimation has Phil and the fact he has is the saddest part. It's a strange feeling, I'm not that mad with him, not sad that he'll leave, I'm just gutted that he's allowed himself to be thought of so lowly by us and most certainly myself. I held him in high esteem before this, thought he was an honourable, honest, hard working pro who would eventually leave to Barca/Real but never did I think it would come to this sh*t show.

      Never felt like this with any player before, where I'm actually gutted his reputation is totally shot to sh*t, because I just can't look at him the same. That innocent young lad aura has been totally smashed and all I see now is a selfish little c**t who wasn't brave enough to do his own dirty work and all that's left for him now is to feel sorry for himself.

      Well get over it Phil, you signed a contract, honour it like the rest of us. That simple.
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      Reply #3270: Sep 02, 2017 09:50:00 pm
      Just saw his goal for Brazil from the other night.

      Those 'tears' afterward. A truly pathetic sight.
      Agreed, people are starving and terrible things happening in wars... and Coutinho crying because he can't move to Barca.. faking a bad back... poor Coutinho and his 200k a week to stay at home with his fake bad back.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3271: Sep 02, 2017 10:19:15 pm
      Way better than ours... And don't let that little friend where we beat then fool you
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3272: Sep 02, 2017 10:27:37 pm
      Way better than ours... And don't let that little friend where we beat then fool you

      F**k them, we get them in Europe, Mane & Salah would rape their defence, we would have to graft, but they are beatable.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3273: Sep 02, 2017 10:34:01 pm
      I look forward to replacing the little runt in January with Lemar.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3274: Sep 02, 2017 10:40:38 pm
      F**k them, we get them in Europe, Mane & Salah would rape their defence, we would have to graft, but they are beatable.

      They are very beatable.  They thrive on teams that fear them and sit back.

      With our pressing game, they wouldn't know what to do.  Our front four (I'm counting Coutinho) would have their back six sharting themselves.

      Throw in our wing backs and they would get done by us.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3275: Sep 02, 2017 10:49:23 pm
      These days we have our own TV channel along with loads of other official LFC media outlets.

      He needs to do the decent thing and go on camera to us all and explain what the f**k has gone on.

      Window is shut now until January and we've got lot's of football to play before then so he needs to take some Ibrofen for that bad back and stop throwing his dummy out the pram.

      Wouldn't surprise me if JĂŒrgen demotes him to League cup games only ;D

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      Reply #3276: Sep 02, 2017 11:14:48 pm
      These days we have our own TV channel along with loads of other official LFC media outlets.

      He needs to do the decent thing and go on camera to us all and explain what the f**k has gone on.

      Window is shut now until January and we've got lot's of football to play before then so he needs to take some Ibrofen for that bad back and stop throwing his dummy out the pram.

      Wouldn't surprise me if JĂŒrgen demotes him to League cup games only ;D

      I don't think making him go through the public humiliation of eating humble pie on camera is going to be particularly helpful to the situation. It's enough that he earn his place in training and based upon loss of form or injury of the current midfield three. As fans, when he does come on, I feel he should get a good ol' one time pantomine booing and then a line drawn under the entire matter and everyone get behind him. We need our best players and despite what he's done, we need him to feel that this is the best place he could possibly be, not Barcelona. In short, fans and club should take the moral high ground.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3277: Sep 02, 2017 11:43:17 pm
      I don't think making him go through the public humiliation of eating humble pie on camera is going to be particularly helpful to the situation. It's enough that he earn his place in training and based upon loss of form or injury of the current midfield three. As fans, when he does come on, I feel he should get a good ol' one time pantomine booing and then a line drawn under the entire matter and everyone get behind him. We need our best players and despite what he's done, we need him to feel that this is the best place he could possibly be, not Barcelona. In short, fans and club should take the moral high ground.

      Agreed, best thing he can do is keep his mouth shut and do the business when he comes off the bench
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3278: Sep 03, 2017 12:55:36 am
      My bet is that Klopp will just include him in training, pick him for teams and so long as he does not act up, move on like nothing has happened. Just as he couldn't let everyone else get the idea they can bully the club into a move, this would also send the  message that he is singularly committed to the good fortunes of Liverpool Football Club.

      He probably will also make it clear, at least privately, that any attempt to force a move in January will be met in the same way, only that Phil will no longer be selected for the first team. Let them wait until next summer (early in the summer) to talk about anything further.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3279: Sep 03, 2017 01:48:26 am
      It just feels like he has cheated on us with our worst enemy.

      I know Barca aren't, but they are starting to quickly make me hate them as much as I do them Manc cu*ts, those Bitter fuckers and those Chav cu*ts.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3280: Sep 03, 2017 09:35:44 am
      Liverpool manager JĂŒrgen Klopp is to hold talks with playmaker Philippe Coutinho, 25, next week after his move to Barcelona failed to materialise in the transfer window. (Star)

      And Coutinho is upset Liverpool have given him no assurances he will be able to move to Barcelona next summer. (Mirror)

      But the 25-year-old could be available for the Reds' trip to Manchester City next week. (Liverpool Echo)
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3281: Sep 03, 2017 09:40:21 am
      I don't think he walks straight into this current team, more likely to be eased in once injuries play their part..

      Going to be awkward.
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      Reply #3282: Sep 03, 2017 09:56:20 am
      I don't think he walks straight into this current team, more likely to be eased in once injuries play their part..

      Going to be awkward.

      How I see it mate and why I made the distinction with Suarez in an earlier post.

      Whilst a peak Phil gives the team another option - Suarez was the epicentre of that team.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3283: Sep 03, 2017 04:54:58 pm
      The inside story of why Liverpool simply couldn't buckle and sell Philippe Coutinho to a man they used to know

       http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/the-inside-story-of-why-liverpool-simply-couldnt-buckle-and-sell-philippe-coutinho-to-a-man-they-used-to-know/ar-AAr4EzD
      Provided by Independent Print Limited


      Five years separates two stories ,involving the same characters; one prevalent in this country, the another not so well known. They are tales that go some way towards explaining why Barcelona were so forceful in their attempt to sign Philippe Coutinho but ultimately, why their attempt will prove not to be quite forceful enough.

      It was in July 2012 when Pep Segura, then the technical manager at Liverpool’s academy, ended his three-year association at the club after previously being told by Liverpool’s owner, John W. Henry, he had earned a promotion.


      Before Brendan Rodgers became Liverpool's manager, Henry and Segura held a three-hour meeting and it was concluded that Segura would become Liverpool’s new sporting director, filling the administrative space left behind by Damien Comolli’s sacking a few months earlier.

      Rodgers, though, had other ideas, insisting his own appointment would not involve another tier of management above him.

      For Segura – a decent man, and someone respected inside Liverpool particularly for his contribution towards the development of Raheem Sterling – there was reasonable embarrassment when he arrived at Melwood for the start of pre-season training only to find out then there would be no place for him in the new set-up.


      Despite his efforts to contact Henry about his proposed fresh responsibilities, the line of communication had gone stone cold since Rodgers’s arrival. Though he expected that plans had changed, Segura was upset and angry that he had found out this way and so, on that July morning, rather than driving to the academy in Kirkby as he had been told to by Rodgers, he resigned on the spot – though the announcement of his departure was made a month later.

      Those who knew Segura best from his time at Liverpool describe him as a professional and so, his hurt was understandable considering he had been treated him without the necessary level of respect. Sources in Catalonia, meanwhile, say Segura has a long memory. Now Barcelona’s general manager having returned to the club where he built his coaching reputation, and as the person overseeing player recruitment, it is told he has viewed the signing of Coutinho as a personal mission.



      While Coutinho is seen as a long-term successor for the fading AndrĂ©s Iniesta, the whiplash of his own departure from Liverpool still stings and it is said he would like nothing better than to expose Fenway Sports Group’s collective stance over Coutinho’s future as total mush.

      It was a small but significant detail when Fenway released a “definitive” statement earlier this month, outlining that Coutinho would not be sold, this was not a statement released by Liverpool FC but by its ownership group, a statement, indeed, that was not signed off by any person in particular as they often are when something important is announced

      Hour-by-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, Henry does not have much involvement in the decision-making processes at the club and instead, key issues are dealt with by JĂŒrgen Klopp, Michael Edwards, Liverpool’s sporting director, and Mike Gordon, Fenway’s president.

      Henry only intervenes when he really needs to and this was one of his calls. Before Coutinho had submitted his transfer request, Henry knew that his scan, taken on Tuesday August 8, for mysterious back strain had returned without obvious signs of injury. He knew as well that two days later a 3pm meeting involving Edwards and Coutinho’s representatives had not gone well at all. Any owner of a well-run football club should also be informed and be able to imagine what might follow when a star player signs a new five year-contract – as Coutinho did in January – but proceeds to only agree a short-term lease on his home, especially when it has already been reported that Barcelona are interested in him.


      Those that have dealt with Henry regularly know how he is capable of brain lapses, instances where he has appeared completely engrossed on a subject one moment and unreachable the next. Particularly relating to Liverpool matters, perhaps living on the other side of an ocean while running a business empire where Anfield forms only a part of his thoughts contributes towards the way he approaches things. Perhaps, indeed, this is why Segura found himself isolated very quickly from what seemed a position of promise.

      Henry’s distance from Merseyside has not helped in the past because he has not been around to cast judgements for himself. He has instead relied on the opinions of his appointments, which have been bad ones too often – meaning that he has only acted when it has been too late, contributing towards a generally negative impression of his and Fenway’s intentions.

      Having decided that Coutinho would stay, he could not afford to back down particularly when the transfer market did not map out exactly the way Liverpool or its febrile supporter base would have wanted in terms of incomings. Fenway have been determined to change Liverpool’s reputation and by not relenting to Coutinho’s wishes, for the time being at least, it sends a message to their own players as well as rivals that this is not a selling club.

      Any other outcome would have been received as deception and from then on, it is hard to see how any of the messages coming out of Liverpool would ever be trusted again.



      John Henry promised the job to Pep Segura but ego maniac Rodgers  ...out of his depth anyway ... didnt want that to happen.

      That someone else could steal his thunder. 

      So Henry went back on his word to Segura to make Rodgers happy.
      « Last Edit: Sep 03, 2017 05:07:11 pm by MIRO »
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      Reply #3284: Sep 03, 2017 04:57:30 pm
      “We have our situation and Dortmund has another,” he said to German media outlet SPORT1, when asked about why his former club sold Ousmane Dembele but we kept Phil.

      “Don’t believe everything in the press or that there are offers here and there and that the minute after the offer has been entered, it should already be over.

      “We are not like George Orwell where everybody knows everything immediately. We have exactly the situation we wanted and no other.

      “Dortmund decided the player (Dembele) would leave them, so I cannot compare the two situations.

      “We still have a really good player in the squad who can play.”
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3285: Sep 03, 2017 05:04:03 pm
      The first 70 mins Barca will tear us a new one


      I'm not convinced that they would these days.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3286: Sep 03, 2017 07:21:46 pm
      The inside story of why Liverpool simply couldn't buckle and sell Philippe Coutinho to a man they used to know

       http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/the-inside-story-of-why-liverpool-simply-couldnt-buckle-and-sell-philippe-coutinho-to-a-man-they-used-to-know/ar-AAr4EzD
      Provided by Independent Print Limited


      Five years separates two stories ,involving the same characters; one prevalent in this country, the another not so well known. They are tales that go some way towards explaining why Barcelona were so forceful in their attempt to sign Philippe Coutinho but ultimately, why their attempt will prove not to be quite forceful enough.

      It was in July 2012 when Pep Segura, then the technical manager at Liverpool’s academy, ended his three-year association at the club after previously being told by Liverpool’s owner, John W. Henry, he had earned a promotion.


      Before Brendan Rodgers became Liverpool's manager, Henry and Segura held a three-hour meeting and it was concluded that Segura would become Liverpool’s new sporting director, filling the administrative space left behind by Damien Comolli’s sacking a few months earlier.

      Rodgers, though, had other ideas, insisting his own appointment would not involve another tier of management above him.

      For Segura – a decent man, and someone respected inside Liverpool particularly for his contribution towards the development of Raheem Sterling – there was reasonable embarrassment when he arrived at Melwood for the start of pre-season training only to find out then there would be no place for him in the new set-up.


      Despite his efforts to contact Henry about his proposed fresh responsibilities, the line of communication had gone stone cold since Rodgers’s arrival. Though he expected that plans had changed, Segura was upset and angry that he had found out this way and so, on that July morning, rather than driving to the academy in Kirkby as he had been told to by Rodgers, he resigned on the spot – though the announcement of his departure was made a month later.

      Those who knew Segura best from his time at Liverpool describe him as a professional and so, his hurt was understandable considering he had been treated him without the necessary level of respect. Sources in Catalonia, meanwhile, say Segura has a long memory. Now Barcelona’s general manager having returned to the club where he built his coaching reputation, and as the person overseeing player recruitment, it is told he has viewed the signing of Coutinho as a personal mission.



      While Coutinho is seen as a long-term successor for the fading AndrĂ©s Iniesta, the whiplash of his own departure from Liverpool still stings and it is said he would like nothing better than to expose Fenway Sports Group’s collective stance over Coutinho’s future as total mush.

      It was a small but significant detail when Fenway released a “definitive” statement earlier this month, outlining that Coutinho would not be sold, this was not a statement released by Liverpool FC but by its ownership group, a statement, indeed, that was not signed off by any person in particular as they often are when something important is announced

      Hour-by-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, Henry does not have much involvement in the decision-making processes at the club and instead, key issues are dealt with by JĂŒrgen Klopp, Michael Edwards, Liverpool’s sporting director, and Mike Gordon, Fenway’s president.

      Henry only intervenes when he really needs to and this was one of his calls. Before Coutinho had submitted his transfer request, Henry knew that his scan, taken on Tuesday August 8, for mysterious back strain had returned without obvious signs of injury. He knew as well that two days later a 3pm meeting involving Edwards and Coutinho’s representatives had not gone well at all. Any owner of a well-run football club should also be informed and be able to imagine what might follow when a star player signs a new five year-contract – as Coutinho did in January – but proceeds to only agree a short-term lease on his home, especially when it has already been reported that Barcelona are interested in him.


      Those that have dealt with Henry regularly know how he is capable of brain lapses, instances where he has appeared completely engrossed on a subject one moment and unreachable the next. Particularly relating to Liverpool matters, perhaps living on the other side of an ocean while running a business empire where Anfield forms only a part of his thoughts contributes towards the way he approaches things. Perhaps, indeed, this is why Segura found himself isolated very quickly from what seemed a position of promise.

      Henry’s distance from Merseyside has not helped in the past because he has not been around to cast judgements for himself. He has instead relied on the opinions of his appointments, which have been bad ones too often – meaning that he has only acted when it has been too late, contributing towards a generally negative impression of his and Fenway’s intentions.

      Having decided that Coutinho would stay, he could not afford to back down particularly when the transfer market did not map out exactly the way Liverpool or its febrile supporter base would have wanted in terms of incomings. Fenway have been determined to change Liverpool’s reputation and by not relenting to Coutinho’s wishes, for the time being at least, it sends a message to their own players as well as rivals that this is not a selling club.

      Any other outcome would have been received as deception and from then on, it is hard to see how any of the messages coming out of Liverpool would ever be trusted again.



      John Henry promised the job to Pep Segura but ego maniac Rodgers  ...out of his depth anyway ... didnt want that to happen.

      That someone else could steal his thunder. 

      So Henry went back on his word to Segura to make Rodgers happy.

      Always knew there was something odd about that one mate, I had figured Segura wanted assurances of future management but it appears it was the sporting director position he'd been promised. At least with him out of the way Brendan oversaw the transfer committee! :D

      Does make you wonder what direction we'd have gone if Brendan could have simply worked with Segura rather than ousting someone of great reputation and character in the game. In this instance I think it was very much our loss and Barca's gain.

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3287: Sep 03, 2017 08:22:36 pm
      "The inside story"

       :lmao:

      What a lot of tosh.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #3288: Sep 03, 2017 08:25:45 pm
      My only problem with pieces like that, is that it could actually be true word for word but, with the limited information I know I myself, I could produce a piece of literature the same..

      Henry: caught between priorities,
      Brendan: Obviously wanting his own staff
      Seg: Justifiably pissed off

      A big F**k up as usual but, no real evil person individually at fault is what I read..?

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