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      ruthcity
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #92: Sep 05, 2017 02:02:28 pm
      Coutinho wants to leave because we repeatedly show a lack of ambition in the transfer market....

      Really? What else did he say? Is he still gonna sulk now? I want to know. Also please tell him when you see him that I expect him to leave when a cash offer of £130m or more comes in. Send him my regards.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #93: Sep 05, 2017 03:09:04 pm
      Bullshit.  We have top class players like VVD rejecting the advances of other clubs because he wanted to sign for LFC, but we never even put a bid in.  You can say that Southampton wouldn't have sold until you're blue in the face, but the reality is that they would have if we'd have offered enough money.  We supposedly had another 100M in our transfer budget this summer, yet we never even bid for our manager's #1 target....

      Coutinho wants to leave because we repeatedly show a lack of ambition in the transfer market....

      I see. Let's do the checklist then.

      • Signed one of the best managers in world football? - Check.
      • Signed one of the best midfielders in world football? - Check.
      • Built a new stand that puts Anfield in the upper tier of world club stadiums?- Check.
      • Building a brand new, state of the art training facility? - Check.

      Given were we are in our current development - that's a return to the Champions League for only the second time in a decade, by the way - I think we're (finally) showing some ambition. We aren't Barca or Bayern or Real or PSG, we're not going to be able to sign the Messis or Neymars in this world. You have to view things in light of were we are in world football right now.

      Has it occured to you that there might actually be a plan behind not putting a bid in? A plan that revolves around not pissing Southampton off even further to the point that we might actually get him in January or next Summer? Or perhaps the part where Southampton repeatedly said "we're not selling Van Dyke" was as lost on you as FSG saying "we're not selling Coutinho" was lost on Barcelona? Or do you now propose we toss bids in for the sake of it, for no other reason than to sate the insatiable appetite of some fans to blame FSG for a rainy day, where upon they'd then be criticised for wasting their time bidding for a player who was never going to be released?

      Criticise them where and when it's due but this drivel is starting to get old.
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      Reply #94: Sep 05, 2017 03:33:13 pm
      I see. Let's do the checklist then.

      • Signed one of the best managers in world football? - Check.
      • Signed one of the best midfielders in world football? - Check.
      • Built a new stand that puts Anfield in the upper tier of world club stadiums?- Check.
      • Building a brand new, state of the art training facility? - Check.

      Given were we are in our current development - that's a return to the Champions League for only the second time in a decade, by the way - I think we're (finally) showing some ambition. We aren't Barca or Bayern or Real or PSG, we're not going to be able to sign the Messis or Neymars in this world. You have to view things in light of were we are in world football right now.

      Has it occured to you that there might actually be a plan behind not putting a bid in? A plan that revolves around not pissing Southampton off even further to the point that we might actually get him in January or next Summer? Or perhaps the part where Southampton repeatedly said "we're not selling Van Dyke" was as lost on you as FSG saying "we're not selling Coutinho" was lost on Barcelona? Or do you now propose we toss bids in for the sake of it, for no other reason than to sate the insatiable appetite of some fans to blame FSG for a rainy day, where upon they'd then be criticised for wasting their time bidding for a player who was never going to be released?

      Criticise them where and when it's due but this drivel is starting to get old.

      You're probably right. Extending Anfield was essential and they've done that (and could extend it further) and the plans to unite the youth and senior squads at Kirkby are very exciting as well. Nor can I fault their commercial ambition - as nasty as the commericialisation is for football, for us to compete at the very top we have to obtain a considerable presence in that area.

      Those acting above Klopp in the football matters though is something that deserves a great deal of questioning though. That lickspittle Edwards thing though is bizarre and looks like he's nothing but an incompetent moron as his actions over VVD proved (and various other failings in the past). At points over the summer I probably got too involved over certain failures on the footballing side but taking a step back allows for a more rational perspective of their overall ownership.

      All in all, as shown by matters surrounding football they can be infuriating but beyond that they are a far cry and a drastic improvement from the corner shop type running of the club by David Moores and the sheer destructive criminality of Hicks and Gillett.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #95: Sep 05, 2017 03:55:37 pm
      I get it now. Some people ain't happy with this transfer window because we failed to sign a world class VVD. Not only that. We failed to sign a plan b because they believe our four CBs are hopeless. Not only must we sign a plan b but he has to walk into the first team. FSG? Doesn't even have balls to put in a bid. Oh we're gonna die.

      Since they think we're that hopeless, why don't I suggest they support some club which did decent in the transfer window? It's just across Stanley Park. Go there. I won't want to see these guys on matchdays.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #96: Sep 05, 2017 06:07:08 pm
      After listening to the lads on the anfield wrap discussing it, if we'd have put a bid in for vvd we could've received a transfer ban for the original unauthorised contact.

      Now, if that was the case then surely a bid would've been lodged and fsg could've spent f**k all for the next two windows?

      Also, let's not twist the coutinho situation  to suit your agenda, he signed a 5 in January with no buy out, that wasn't the action of a disillusioned man.

      I'm not sure about that. As I remember, Saints lodged a complaint and there was a preliminary investigation into the dispute which concluded there was not enough evidence to launch formal disciplinary proceedings. There was rumour they may have had some undisclosed Ace up their sleeve but that's all it was - rumour, a rumour that made no sense since they'd lodged a complaint so not only would you be required to hand over any and all evidence for the investigation but why wouldn't you do so in the first place?

      A much more sensible theory, as suggested by the Echo, is that we will go back in for him in January or next Summer. Now if we don't in either of those windows, then FSG deserve criticism for failing to bid. At least then we'll have a better perspective on things and as far as I'm concerned, Edwards's job is untennable for having cocked the deal up.

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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #97: Sep 05, 2017 08:42:42 pm
      FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho

      We wish to offer clarity as regards our position on a possible transfer of Philippe Coutinho.

      The club’s definitive stance is that no offers for Philippe will be considered and he will remain a member of Liverpool Football Club when the summer window closes.

      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/271620-fsg-statement-on-philippe-coutinho


      Thank God. If this transfer happens, FSG needs to be shown the door but let's be positive, the best decision to come out and say it!

      They did what they said and didn't deviate from it.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #98: Sep 05, 2017 09:29:22 pm
      😂😂 "False prophesy"? Brilliant. 😂😂

      'The Guardians Of The Fallacy' are actually claiming a victory here. Oh. Holy. F**k.

      Tell you what; let's give them it, poor things.

      "False prophesy" 😂 - what about the other 13 windows and countless F**k ups you Muppets; do they not count? Seriously like; listen to yourselves. 🙄

      Ask yourselves - How did I come to follow Liverpool FC?  Football, nationality of owners, business acumen? Be honest you FSG Reds.

      Wealthy multi-millionaire investors do not need your loyalty. 🙄

      #MisplacedLoyalty.




      You've missed the point mate.

      I don't have any strong favour towards the owners but you pointed out one of the issues. The childish argument you make about 'oh what about the other windows'. Yea, fine they happened but to only acknowledge the bad and ignore the good isn't fair. I'll point out both in a balanced argument, because I think that's the only fair way to do it.

      You don't think if we sold Phil this thread would be FULL of 'told you' comments. We didn't... so where are the 'oh maybe I wasn't right' comments? It's just hypocracy in my eyes.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #99: Sep 05, 2017 09:31:57 pm
      What kind of person drips on like this about 'slight on their character' and spouts off about how people have problems with authority if they don't like FSG?

      Who made you the moral compass of the forum?

      Pot. Kettle. Black.

      I'm not trying to be a moral compass at all. Just pointing out some things I find telling that's all
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #100: Sep 05, 2017 10:13:52 pm
      You've missed the point mate.

      I don't have any strong favour towards the owners but you pointed out one of the issues. The childish argument you make about 'oh what about the other windows'. Yea, fine they happened but to only acknowledge the bad and ignore the good isn't fair. I'll point out both in a balanced argument, because I think that's the only fair way to do it.

      You don't think if we sold Phil this thread would be FULL of 'told you' comments. We didn't... so where are the 'oh maybe I wasn't right' comments? It's just hypocracy in my eyes.

      I thought Phil would be off long before he handed a transfer request in, just had a hunch and I said so on here many times. As I said earlier today. I've never been shy of saying I was proved wrong and I'm not here either. That said, I was bloody nearly right though wasn't I? Half of the lads were rolling around on the floor claiming there was no way Coutinho had put a transfer request in when it was obvious that he had.

      It's long been my gripe that people are more concerned with being "proven right" than they are the team winning. To be honest though mate, how anyone who said "be patient", "It's only June/July/August", "don't panic" etc can claim to have been proven right in that window amazes me.

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      Reply #101: Sep 05, 2017 10:18:20 pm
      I'm not trying to be a moral compass at all. Just pointing out some things I find telling that's all

      Keeping our own player is not reason to put up the bunting and you have definitely been reading psychology for dummies!
      « Last Edit: Sep 05, 2017 10:22:21 pm by fields of anny rd »
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      Reply #102: Sep 05, 2017 10:24:01 pm
      Lets hope they Cavan convince him to stay by assuring him of their intention to make us great again 😎

      FSG's promises will fall on deaf ears, a consequence of 8 years obfuscation and faulted decision making.
      How many star men do we loose before reality comes home to some?

      How long before our current game changers seek out a side that can guarantee success?

      There was hope that Jürgen's appointment might go some way to rectify the perception that we are a spent force, the Coutinho debacle could not be a better example in demonstrating that nothing has changed.

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      Reply #103: Sep 05, 2017 10:27:02 pm
      I thought Phil would be off long before he handed a transfer request in, just had a hunch and I said so on here many times. As I said earlier today. I've never been shy of saying I was proved wrong and I'm not here either. That said, I was bloody nearly right though wasn't I? Half of the lads were rolling around on the floor claiming there was no way Coutinho had put a transfer request in when it was obvious that he had.

      It's long been my gripe that people are more concerned with being "proven right" than they are the team winning. To be honest though mate, how anyone who said "be patient", "It's only June/July/August", "don't panic" etc can claim to have been proven right in that window amazes me.



      Close enough mate you're right.

      But that's kind of my point, no one was really 'right' which is why I find it confusing that we see the negative posts in the VvD thread or in here... and Naby Keita has next to no welcomes to the club and the Salah deal isn't really mentioned.

      I just think there should a bit more open mindedness and balance to arguments. They've done well in areas and it should be acknowledged by those who said they'd never do well. They've not delivered in other areas and it needs to be acknowledged too by those saying they would.

      That's my point here. I'm not pro FSG, just an advocate for reason and balance.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #104: Sep 05, 2017 10:29:07 pm
      Keeping our own player is not reason to put up the bunting and you have definitely been reading psychology for dummies!

      ... Just for the record I've read an awful lot more than psychology for dummies.

      And I'm not calling for bunting, just acknowledgement
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      Reply #105: Sep 05, 2017 10:29:32 pm
      I thought Phil would be off long before he handed a transfer request in, just had a hunch and I said so on here many times. As I said earlier today. I've never been shy of saying I was proved wrong and I'm not here either. That said, I was bloody nearly right though wasn't I? Half of the lads were rolling around on the floor claiming there was no way Coutinho had put a transfer request in when it was obvious that he had.
      It's long been my gripe that people are more concerned with being "proven right" than they are the team winning. To be honest though mate, how anyone who said "be patient", "It's only June/July/August", "don't panic" etc can claim to have been proven right in that window amazes me.

      Been 'patient' for 8 F***ing years mate.



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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #106: Sep 06, 2017 10:32:54 am
      Emre Can wants to out, Coutinho wants out.....the confidence some hold in FSG is not shared apparently by the actual players, players that matter.
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      Reply #107: Sep 06, 2017 12:25:15 pm
      Emre Can wants to out, Coutinho wants out.....the confidence some hold in FSG is not shared apparently by the actual players, players that matter.

      It's clear you don't like FSG and never have, but what I'm interested in is what do you want from an Owner? What is your preferred model?
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      Reply #108: Sep 06, 2017 12:30:55 pm
      It's clear you don't like FSG and never have, but what I'm interested in is what do you want from an Owner? What is your preferred model?

      This hatred started when FSG called KK over to Boston, and he ended up sacked after telling his boss "back me or sack me" after failing to hit the targets he said he could hit.

      The owners could gold plate a seat above the centre circle and give it to him in perpetuity, and he'd still be whining.
      Nothing they could ever do would be good enough for him, because they had the temerity to sack KK.

      The irony is, KK is back at the club, working away in his new role, having been invited back by FSG.
      So, it's clear he holds no grudges, it's only a pity the poster you quote is unable to follow suit, or even be honest about his reasons.
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      Reply #109: Sep 06, 2017 01:54:57 pm
      If anyone wants to know what Stuey thinks - ask Swab - he seem to know
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      Reply #110: Sep 06, 2017 02:57:13 pm
      It's clear you don't like FSG and never have, but what I'm interested in is what do you want from an Owner? What is your preferred model?

      As an FSG supporter it is probably convenient for you to generalise and categorgerise any criticism as hysterical over-reaction, as above.

      If you care to examine my post history during the FSG tenure it will show you that like the majority I was overjoyed when our owners took over and remained so for a number of years.

      For the past 2-3 years my illusions have been moderated, the refusal by our owners to invest their own wedge in LFC and false economies throughout their tenure has focused things and allowed me to ignore the diversion and see the bigger picture.

      FSG essentially desire a good business model that functions with the least financial input needed, not only functions but gives a good return to all concerned, from the owners down to the executive and actual shareholders.
      This is the only priority for our owners.

      What is the preferred model is a body that sees the profit in an all conquering LFC and will strive to attain that entity as a priority for the shareholders and supporters throughout the world.

      To be honest mate I am sick to F***ing death of having to regurgitate the above every time I am accused of being an unthinking FSG hater.
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      Reply #111: Sep 06, 2017 03:42:53 pm
      As an FSG supporter it is probably convenient for you to generalise and categorgerise any criticism as hysterical over-reaction, as above.

      If you care to examine my post history during the FSG tenure it will show you that like the majority I was overjoyed when our owners took over and remained so for a number of years.

      For the past 2-3 years my illusions have been moderated, the refusal by our owners to invest their own wedge in LFC and false economies throughout their tenure has focused things and allowed me to ignore the diversion and see the bigger picture.

      FSG essentially desire a good business model that functions with the least financial input needed, not only functions but gives a good return to all concerned, from the owners down to the executive and actual shareholders.
      This is the only priority for our owners.

      What is the preferred model is a body that sees the profit in an all conquering LFC and will strive to attain that entity as a priority for the shareholders and supporters throughout the world.

      To be honest mate I am sick to f**king death of having to regurgitate the above every time I am accused of being an unthinking FSG hater.

      FSG always stated that they would not put in their own money so I'm puzzled why you were happy the first few years then after they gave loans to LFC to build a new stand etc became unhappy.
      FSG have not taken a penny out of the club, all profits have been reinvested, they have however loaned the club over £100 million of their own money which they will of course expect to get paid back, wouldn't you also expect the same?
      FSG have made plenty of mistakes since they took over but since the appointment of Klopp we seem to be moving in the right direction, they back the manager on player purchases, or at least Klopp for some baffling reason seems to be utterly cowed into silence if he is indeed unhappy.

      Can you please point out some modern football owners who you do admire, I strongly suspect that they will be Middle eastern.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #112: Sep 06, 2017 03:56:45 pm
      It's clear you don't like FSG and never have, but what I'm interested in is what do you want from an Owner? What is your preferred model?
      Usually football teams are more like Spiral methodology. Isn't that obvious? We have been getting some agile thrown at us for some time, but atleast it's not Waterfall... but it feels like it with Mignolet!
      In case anyone wonders, I like FSG. I sent them a Christmas Card every year.
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      Reply #113: Sep 06, 2017 04:05:01 pm
      What is the preferred model is a body that sees the profit in an all conquering LFC and will strive to attain that entity as a priority for the shareholders and supporters throughout the world.

      It is very difficult to please both supporters and shareholders. Why? Shareholders want profit and dividends. Supporters want trophies and win games. The tipping point is buying players. Buying players costs money and salaries and depreciation reduce profits. They're always in conflict. Which is why football clubs are typically not profitable.
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      Re: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho
      Reply #114: Sep 06, 2017 05:06:04 pm
      As an FSG supporter it is probably convenient for you to generalise and categorgerise any criticism as hysterical over-reaction, as above.

      If you care to examine my post history during the FSG tenure it will show you that like the majority I was overjoyed when our owners took over and remained so for a number of years.

      For the past 2-3 years my illusions have been moderated, the refusal by our owners to invest their own wedge in LFC and false economies throughout their tenure has focused things and allowed me to ignore the diversion and see the bigger picture.

      FSG essentially desire a good business model that functions with the least financial input needed, not only functions but gives a good return to all concerned, from the owners down to the executive and actual shareholders.
      This is the only priority for our owners.

      What is the preferred model is a body that sees the profit in an all conquering LFC and will strive to attain that entity as a priority for the shareholders and supporters throughout the world.

      To be honest mate I am sick to f**king death of having to regurgitate the above every time I am accused of being an unthinking FSG hater.

      You're a charmer aren't you? I'm neither an FSG Hater nor an FSG Supporter. I criticise them where I feel it's appropriate to do so, and praise them in a similar manner. I simply don't go around hysterically accusing them of all manner of things without offering up the slightest bit of evidence to support my argument. I believe the truth of them, as with most things, lies somewhere in the middle for me. They are neither the best nor the worst owners we could have. I agree they have underinvested over the years but I'm willing to acknowledge that they've also done some good things.

      Furthermore, I didn't accuse you of anything. I asked a simple, civil question. You claim you are sick to death of being accused of an 'unthinking FSG hater', but then offer up vague statements rather than concrete solutions all the while accusing FSG of creating false economies without offering up the slightest bit of evidence to back up such an assertion. Is it any wonder people accuse you of such?

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