The 2017 Summer Transfer Window Review and Rating

« *Last Edit: Sep 02, 2017 12:54:22 am by AZPatriot* »

Quote from Alfie2510 on Sep 02, 2017 12:33:31 am

I think it is apparent that Sakho's exclusion at Liverpool was nothing to do with his ability or lack of. If you want to tell me Klavan is a better player than him let's agree to disagree and let's await the next time we concede 3s and 4s at your Watfords and Bournemouths of the PL, can't wait.

I believe that the Liverpool manager thinks that Ragnar Klavan is better for the club than Sakho...I can't deal with suppositions, innuendos..only facts.

The fact that one is at LFC and the other is not is the only fact that has any relevance.

Sakho played in 56 league matches out of a total of 114 possible matches over a 3 year period making him unavailable for one reason or another more than 50% of the time.

Brendan benched him for insubordination, just like the manager at PSG did...Jürgen gave him a chance and he rewarded the manager and the club with a drug suspension (not even telling the medical staff he was taking) missing team meetings, goofing off, storming out of matches and Instagram/tweeting discontent at all odd hours of the morning.

Is he a better defender than Klavan?...potentially if he could play more than 50% of the matches available while at the same time not being a cancer in the locker room.

I have a pretty strong suspicion that the gaffer saw Mama leaving as addition by subtraction.

Oh and by the way go check out the matches when Mama played and we conceded 3-4 ...you might be surprised to find he's not the superman you think he is.

Mama is kind of like his buddy Mario...might have bags of talent...ain't got a brain cell in the ole noggin.

Quote from Alfie2510 on Sep 01, 2017 05:33:31 pm

If you want to tell me Klavan is a better player than him let's agree to disagree and let's await the next time we concede 3s and 4s at your Watfords and Bournemouths of the PL

2013 Liverpool 1 West Ham 3 Sakho starts
Crystal Pal 3 Liverpool 1 Sakho starts
Hull City 3 Liverpool 1 Sakho starts

There are plenty more examples when Sakho started if you need them...its a team sport and if your not going to be part of the team then out ya go.

Quote from AZPatriot on Sep 02, 2017 12:43:17 am

I believe that the Liverpool manager thinks that Ragnar Klavan is better for the club than Sakho...I can't deal with suppositions, innuendos..only facts.

The fact that one is at LFC and the other is not is the only fact that has any relevance.

Sakho played in 56 league matches out of a total of 114 possible matches over a 3 year period making him unavailable for one reason or another more than 50% of the time.

Brendan benched him for insubordination, just like the manager at PSG did...Jürgen gave him a chance and he rewarded the manager and the club with a drug suspension (not even telling the medical staff he was taking) missing team meetings, goofing off, storming out of matches and Instagram/tweeting discontent at all odd hours of the morning.

Is he a better defender than Klavan?...potentially if he could play more than 50% of the matches available while at the same time not being a cancer in the locker room.

I have a pretty strong suspicion that the gaffer saw Mama leaving as addition by subtraction.

Oh and by the way go check out the matches when Mama played and we conceded 3-4 ...you might be surprised to find he's not the superman you think he is.

Mama is kind of like his buddy Mario...might have bags of talent...ain't got a brain cell in the ole noggin.

I'm not for a minute saying he's a superstar. I'd have Matip ahead of him all day and I'd flick a coin between him and Lovern. I'd take him over Klavan and Joe Gomez (just now anyways) all day long.
If Jürgen wants to replace him for this or that his call but he's cutting his nose to spite his face.
On a wider point I see shades of Wenger in Klopp (he said before the Arsenal match it was crazy to him people were talking about Wenger leaving

) in that there seems to be a hesitancy with him in the transfer market, but also he seems to favour a player profile that pretty much will shut up and get on with it. Nice guys, blank pages so to speak. Whilst I understand this approach from Klopp who wants to coach and educate players, you can go too far with it where you get a team of sheep that can't think for themselves or be willing to mix it up a bit, on the pitch and in the changing room.
I can imagaine Sakho being a nightmare and I was enraged with the drugs fiasco he brought on himself. But at the same time I can imagine him saying to Klopp - "why the f**k are the full backs playing in the final third of the pitch ten minutes into an away game?" I can imagine him telling Jordan Henderson in front of him to get his finger out and protect the defence rather than following the play all the time. I can imagine him going through Gini for not heading that ball at Watford. How many of those types does this squad have?

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Quote from Alfie2510 on Sep 02, 2017 12:23:08 am

Jürgen obviously wants a squad of dandys that think he's superman and want for nothing more than their after match hug and high five

Reckon that quote will come back to haunt you.
Bizarre at least, downright disrespectful and ignorant at worst
Just don't get at all the love in that sakho gets from many
I thought he was good at times, average generally and a liability far too often....and that's just on the field
Off the field, PSG and Liverpool managements have both deemed him surplus to requirements for off the field issues primarily.
Why would you want to force Klopp, who is showing that he and his staff demand players of personal and collective responsibility, to keep a player who has shown that he doesn't adhere to this work ethic?

I would say this window has to be viewed overall as a success. The only thing that irritates me is being dead set on a player who in the end was not for sale. However, we kept Phil, brought in talented depth guys who can one day join the first 11 in time, and brought in the steal of the window in Salah. We also bought Keita for next year, so we won't have to worry about letting Phil go and not replacing him. Throw in the fact that Milner is like a new signing and I'd say we had a pretty successful window. B for me

Depth was needed more so than a CB and we got good quality in that department in this window IMO

Was a good transfer window for us, but it could have been great if we signed a quality CB, rather than AOC.

It's like you know you have a flat tyre, but you go and fill the tank.

Quote from heimdall on Sep 01, 2017 08:09:46 pm

The only target we missed out on was VVD, so it must be deemed a good window.

We missed out on our target for arguably the position we most required strengthening. We failed to sign anyone for that position, sold 3 players that have played for us in that position and that's classed as a success?

We look stronger at full back, midfield and up front which will bode well for us in the league and CL. I'm not sure how many youngsters are left to play in the domestic cup comps, looks less than last year but let's see what the u23 or gerrards u18 pop up. Would of liked to have strengthend CB but we didn't so let's get on with it now. Maybe Klopp wanted VVD and no one else and thought if it's not him then I'll develop Gomez. I'm hoping Gomez can show us exactly what he's made of this season, well not hope I think he's going to have to cos it's going to be a busy season, one in which we have to get top 4 again and show the rest of the CL teams that we are a force to be rekoned with.

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Ok ... il keep it short.

Klopp wanted 3 players by the start of the season or very latest end of august.

Salah - job done
Vvd - job failed
Keita - job failed ( great for next summer)

Squad depth

Robertson - not the world class straight in the team Lb we have been wanting for years ... but a promising start.

Solanke - same as above really. A promising start and Origi pushed out.

Chamberlain - good signing in my opinion. Can play various positions on the pitch and we should get his best years.

So overall ... 1 of 3 main targets hit. A quality player to improve squad depth and a couple of kids for the future.

But leaving us exposed at centre half is a big mistake in my opinion ... to not even put 1 bid in was a shambles. To not have a plan b was almost as bad. But i put my trust in klopp. He knows what he is doing.

As for keeping Coutinho ... no brownie points there. 5 years on his deal and no release clause. No decision to make.

Im happy with the window ... but far from overjoyed with it. It was a decent window overall.

6/10 for me.

And with keita on the way next summers window is off to a great start.

That got abit longwinded in the end :-)

Didn't improve our defence in the window.

Didn't improve our midfield in the window.

Improved our attack.

Didn't sell off all our dead wood.

5/10.

We didn't strengthen the spine of the team, and Keita IS NOT a Liverpool player. We have an agreement to make him a Liverpool player next July but until then he's no more a Liverpool player than I am.

The signings we did make all look like they will (or already have) contribute so that part is a plus. But there simply weren't enough first team signings made in light of what job we have in front of us for this season.

The only way you can sensibly rate the transfer window is whether we are now more or less likely to win enough football matches in order to win trophies. That also obviously depends upon what everyone else has done, if Arsenal signed Messi and Ronaldo we can sensibly assume they would be harder to finish in front of, fortunately they didn't.

Given that, I'd be neutral on the whole thing. We finished fourth last season rather than higher principally for four main reasons IMHO.

1. Our goalkeeper isn't good enough.
2. We don't possess a predatory striker who a) we are prepared to pick, b) can stay fit and c) scores heavily and regularly.
3. We have an inherent weakness in central defense, principally from set pieces.
4. Our squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality.

Now despite improving the squad overall IMHO, we haven't really addressed any of those issues above. We have to hope that Lovren and/or Mignolet suddenly improve dramatically, Firmino becomes the heavy scoring forward we are missing and we get very few injuries.

It's quite possible that some or all of the above will come to pass, but we could have negated the need for luck by buying better.

Quote from crouchinho on Sep 04, 2017 12:38:58 am

Didn't improve our defence in the window.

Didn't improve our midfield in the window.

Improved our attack.

Didn't sell off all our dead wood.

5/10.

Pretty much bang on that. Could even argue the defence is weaker now we don't have Lucas.

Quote from bigmick on Sep 04, 2017 01:00:47 pm

The only way you can sensibly rate the transfer window is whether we are now more or less likely to win enough football matches in order to win trophies. That also obviously depends upon what everyone else has done, if Arsenal signed Messi and Ronaldo we can sensibly assume they would be harder to finish in front of, fortunately they didn't.

Given that, I'd be neutral on the whole thing. We finished fourth last season rather than higher principally for four main reasons IMHO.

1. Our goalkeeper isn't good enough.
2. We don't possess a predatory striker who a) we are prepared to pick, b) can stay fit and c) scores heavily and regularly.
3. We have an inherent weakness in central defense, principally from set pieces.
4. Our squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality.

Now despite improving the squad overall IMHO, we haven't really addressed any of those issues above. We have to hope that Lovren and/or Mignolet suddenly improve dramatically, Firmino becomes the heavy scoring forward we are missing and we get very few injuries.

It's quite possible that some or all of the above will come to pass, but we could have negated the need for luck by buying better.

I think your wrong with the striker point there Mick. I think we now have 3 players who can score 15+ each this season (Bobby, Mane and Salah)

i agree with the GK front, and the CB option, however I feel we will get VVD in Jan

Quote from crouchinho on Sep 04, 2017 12:38:58 am

Didn't improve our defence in the window.

Didn't improve our midfield in the window.

Improved our attack.

Didn't sell off all our dead wood.

5/10.

Didn't improve our defence? FFS give Robertson a chance will you, I think he'll be an excellent defender for us and addresses a key weakness in recent years

Didn't improve Midfield, written Chamberlain off already as well, not a foreign enough name perhaps
At least you rate Salah so our attack is better, phew.

Quote from FL Red on Sep 04, 2017 12:22:58 pm

We didn't strengthen the spine of the team, and Keita IS NOT a Liverpool player. We have an agreement to make him a Liverpool player next July but until then he's no more a Liverpool player than I am.

The signings we did make all look like they will (or already have) contribute so that part is a plus. But there simply weren't enough first team signings made in light of what job we have in front of us for this season.

What other signings, apart from CB, do you think we needed?

Quote from chats on Sep 04, 2017 01:19:43 pm

Pretty much bang on that. Could even argue the defence is weaker now we don't have Lucas.

What utter f**king nonsense, how often did Lucas play as CB for us? the times he did he wasn't exactly staking a claim for a permanent starter was he. Ask yourself this, if he was so important to the squad why did Klopp let him leave when he could easily have convinced him to stay?

We now have Robertson and a reinvented Moreno on LB with Milner as cover, on the other flank we have TAA and Gomez in addition to Clyne. In CB we can also deploy Gomez although I wish we would have strengthened, its my only real gripe of the window.

So i cannot understand the argument that we are weaker defensively but I'd love for someone to explain to me how they think we are.

Quote from heimdall on Sep 04, 2017 03:56:02 pm

What utter f**king nonsense, how often did Lucas play as CB for us? the times he did he wasn't exactly staking a claim for a permanent starter was he. Ask yourself this, if he was so important to the squad why did Klopp let him leave when he could easily have convinced him to stay?

We now have Robertson and a reinvented Moreno on LB with Milner as cover, on the other flank we have TAA and Gomez in addition to Clyne. In CB we can also deploy Gomez although I wish we would have strengthened, its my only real gripe of the window.

So i cannot understand the argument that we are weaker defensively but I'd love for someone to explain to me how they think we are.

We're not weaker defensively.

But we should be stronger.

Quote from heimdall on Sep 04, 2017 03:51:01 pm

What other signings, apart from CB, do you think we needed?

It doesn't matter what I think we need because I'm sure you will just tell me why I'm wrong. That seems to be the bulk of how you spend your time on the forum so I'm not too interested in "debating" with you.

Quote from crouchinho on Sep 04, 2017 12:38:58 am

Didn't improve our defence in the window.

Didn't improve our midfield in the window.

Improved our attack.

Didn't sell off all our dead wood.

5/10.

Quote from FL Red on Sep 04, 2017 12:22:58 pm

We didn't strengthen the spine of the team, and Keita IS NOT a Liverpool player. We have an agreement to make him a Liverpool player next July but until then he's no more a Liverpool player than I am.

The signings we did make all look like they will (or already have) contribute so that part is a plus. But there simply weren't enough first team signings made in light of what job we have in front of us for this season.

Will be a damn bloody good season if we're challenging on all fronts at the end of the season with this sort of transfer window. Unless someone tells me to stop hoping because we've not done fantastic in this window. Anyone?

Quote from ruthcity on Sep 04, 2017 06:09:43 pm

Will be a damn bloody good season if we're challenging on all fronts at the end of the season with this sort of transfer window. Unless someone tells me to stop hoping because we've not done fantastic in this window. Anyone?

The league is that bad that i don't think our poor defence will stop us from being at the top of the ladder.

And the two-legged system of the UCL will give us a chance against almost anybody.

We'll have a good year, still.

Quote from heimdall on Sep 04, 2017 03:50:11 pm

Didn't improve our defence? FFS give Robertson a chance will you, I think he'll be an excellent defender for us and addresses a key weakness in recent years
Didn't improve Midfield, written Chamberlain off already as well, not a foreign enough name perhaps
At least you rate Salah so our attack is better, phew.

I still consider Alex an attacker.

And if Robertson isn't ahead of Moreno at the moment, I cannot consider him an improvement. He's just another option at the moment.

Not writing him off, but that's how it is at the moment for mine.

If things are looking dodgy, we can't be shy in January like we were last season.

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