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      Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #437: Sep 17, 2017 08:19:14 pm
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      Anyone else swap our defence for theirs?

      That goal they scored was unfuckingbelievable. What the F**k were Matip, Klavan and Emre F***ing doing?

      As for us, we huffed and puffed and couldn't blow the house down, how many times has that happened over the last couple of seasons.

      F**k, I know it's F***ing early but I already feel like the Title chance is slipping away.

      Maybe though, just maybe,September is our new January from last season, get it the F**k out of the way and come storming home. Just hanging onto anything, really!

      When were league titles decided after 5 games?

      10 years ago, we played out a dreadful, insipid, turgid, goalless, draw at home to Birmingham, our second draw in three home games, with 2 defensive midfielders stifling our own attempts to get the three points.

      At least we created 35 chances in this game, even if few looked like they were going in. It was the usual scrap. We attack, they sit in their box and just kick the ball as far away from it as possible. I know they've got good away results lately, they've also lost at home to West Brom. That's what they are, an awful side to watch and play against, which means a tough game to watch, which it was.

      Corners are still an issue, at both ends. They had 2, and came closer to scoring them than the 12 we had put together. Why can't we actually deliver a proper corner into the box, even once, let alone 12 times? We may not want to rely on them Pulis-style, but it's a basic of the game that they get right, and something we bizarrely neglect. It's so frustrating seeing every one of them easily cleared away or taken by the opposition keeper. This has been going on for years and years and years, and it's frankly not good enough.

      6 of the next 7 games are away from home, so it's time to get the atlas out. We go to Burnley on New Years Day, and expect a repeat showing of the above. By then, we'll have played 22 games, and we'll know whether we're still in the title race, or already out of it by that point, as we were 10 years ago.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #438: Sep 17, 2017 08:30:51 pm
      17 shots from outside the area.........WTF

      That's just moronic.

      Yeah, meaning we had 18 shots from inside the area which resulted in 1 goal, that's the issue. I've no problem with that ratio being about 50/50 to be honest.

      18 shots outside the box sounds a lot until you highlight how many were also inside. I do agree that Coutinho was shooting too often though and from poor positions (defenders straight in front of him), so on that part I can agree is moronic.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #439: Sep 17, 2017 09:50:28 pm
      Yeah, meaning we had 18 shots from inside the area which resulted in 1 goal, that's the issue. I've no problem with that ratio being about 50/50 to be honest.

      18 shots outside the box sounds a lot until you highlight how many were also inside. I do agree that Coutinho was shooting too often though and from poor positions (defenders straight in front of him), so on that part I can agree is moronic.

      Yes mate the moronic statement is mostly labelled at Coutinho he was back to his worst when Jürgen had just arrived.
      There was at least a couple of occasions when he could have used Robertson to put him away so either he doesn't trust him, was being insolent at not being allowed to leave or was anxious to smash one into the top corner to have the Anfield crowd singing his name.

      Hopefully it was the latter.

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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #440: Sep 17, 2017 10:00:04 pm
      Yes mate the moronic statement is mostly labelled at Coutinho he was back to his worst when Jürgen had just arrived.
      There was at least a couple of occasions when he could have used Robertson to put him away so either he doesn't trust him, was being insolent at not being allowed to leave or was anxious to smash one into the top corner to have the Anfield crowd singing his name.

      Hopefully it was the latter.



      Yeah, he's been quoted today as saying he wants to give everything and still respects the club, fans, coaches, ownership (didn't directly mention manager, but could be included in coaches I suppose).

      Like you though I did question whether he was completely playing for himself above all else yesterday and I was happy to see him go off, was a really poor performance by him.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #441: Sep 17, 2017 10:15:43 pm
      Yeah, he's been quoted today as saying he wants to give everything and still respects the club, fans, coaches, ownership (didn't directly mention manager, but could be included in coaches I suppose).

      Like you though I did question whether he was completely playing for himself above all else yesterday and I was happy to see him go off, was a really poor performance by him.

      My youngest is adamant that he just didn't wanna play Robbo in because he was looking after his mate Bertie........he's only 14 mind :)

      I only saw the 2nd half and he was odd about that at times but better than the first half my lad says.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #442: Sep 17, 2017 10:21:20 pm
      My youngest is adamant that he just didn't wanna play Robbo in because he was looking after his mate Bertie........he's only 14 mind

      Haha, interesting theory but I think the men we had open on the far post numerous occasions means unless Coutinho see Bertie playing as striker any time soon that might not be the motivation. I actually think it was just back to the Coutinho we used to know and get frustrated at, perhaps that's what anxiety does, he would have clearly felt the pressure from the stands and his way of dealing with it was to try and score on every opportunity. That's the best excuse I can give him, even I'm not convinced by it though :D
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #443: Sep 17, 2017 10:23:57 pm
      Haha, interesting theory but I think the men we had open on the far post numerous occasions means unless Coutinho see Bertie playing as striker any time soon that might not be the motivation. I actually think it was just back to the Coutinho we used to know and get frustrated at, perhaps that's what anxiety does, he would have clearly felt the pressure from the stands and his way of dealing with it was to try and score on every opportunity. That's the best excuse I can give him, even I'm not convinced by it though :D

      Wee guy was practically chucking stuff at the PC when I got in and asked the object of his ire..........(I was out buying new bathroom fittings!)

      The CBs

      Can

      Coutinho

      In that order was the response.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #444: Sep 17, 2017 10:44:17 pm
      Wee guy was practically chucking stuff at the PC when I got in and asked the object of his ire..........(I was out buying new bathroom fittings!)

      The CBs

      Can

      Coutinho

      In that order was the response.

      To be fair, I think he's being kind to Phil there. Unless it was one of those, "the cbs, Can and that little **** (I'm sure your lad would never swear in your presence out of respect :D ) Coutinho can **** ***." Then I totally agree.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #445: Sep 18, 2017 12:28:06 am
      It is frustrating watching the tactics nowadays. Took us ages to get out of our half. I could go take a leak, dash back and we could still be ponging in our own half or just went pass our half. Klopp you just gave the opposition defence the luxury of settling down and lock all doors. The top 3 clubs took 3 passes and they are in the opposition half and started creating scoring chances. We're the opposite.
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      Re: Liverpool 1-1 Burnley: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #446: Sep 18, 2017 12:10:55 pm
      Went to the match on Saturday as usual but I've been busy since and haven't re-watched the game or saw any of the highlights. So again, I'm giving my post match comments based on my memory from Saturday and from where I was sat in the ground.

      I'll begin with the starting line up. When I saw the team I must admit I was very pleased. After the Sevilla game on Wednesday the two players who I criticised were Lovren and Henderson so I was made up to see them both out of the team. I had no issues with our starting line up at all and apart from Mane and perhaps Wijnaldum, then its our strongest 11 in my opinion.

      The game started as I expected. We were very much on top with all of the possession but we still struggled to create anything clear cut or break Burnley down. We had plenty of half chances, some decent ones, but I can't really recall any moments in the first half where we definitely should have scored. It was all a bit same old same old to me.

      Their goal was just the typical type of goal we concede every week - just a farce from our back four. As I said I haven't seen any replays of the goals so this is from what I remember and I apologise if I'm wrong.

      Burnley switched the play with a long ball that trent doesn't deal with. That wasn't the problem though, TAA or any other player isn't going to win every single header and at that point we weren't in any trouble either. Mignolet however, chose to move completely away from his goal (in the direction of the corner flag) as TAA was challenging for the ball in the air. I've no idea why he did this but I remember shouting 'where the f**k are you going you stupid dope' or something along them lines at the time.

      The lad who beat Trent in the air heads the ball towards our box and that's when Matip and Klavan get in each others way and make a real mess of it. I remember thinking it was more Klavan who created the problem than Matip though.

      The ball then falls to a lad on the edge of the box and at this point Mignolet is scurrying back towards his goal. The lad places the ball to Mignolets right (the direction in which he had just came from) but because mignolet is quickly moving towards the left to get back in his goal he couldn't position himself in time to save the shot. It was just f**king pathetic. Proper school boy defending as usual. It's actually embarrassing.

      Luckily, we equalised almost immediately. A nice chip forward by Can and a great take and finish from Salah. HT 1-1.

      Second half begins and its clear to me very early on that the pairing of Can and Milner aren't doing too great and we could do with a bit of pace or some more creativity in the middle. Sturridge was completely isolated too so we should have either taken him off and put Firmino up top, swapped him for solanke and gone more direct, or put solanke on alongside him.  Me personally? Id have taken Milner off, put Wijanldum in the middle, taken sturridge off, put firmino up top and the ox out on the left.  Jürgen however, left it how it was and for the next 30 minutes it was more or less the same as the first half. We had all of the ball but did very little with it.

      Around 75 mins Klopp finally makes some changes but surprisingly brings the Brazilians off. Neither were having wonderful games but both of them are still potential match winners so it was an odd choice in my opinion. On came the Ox and Solanke but solanke appeared to be playing left mid? What the f**k was that about?

      Solanke actually did really well when he came on, some great hold up play, good with his feet, very unlucky not to score when his shot came off the bar.

      We still didn't look like scoring though and then come the two Burnley corners late on. Everybody in the ground can feel it, everybody is holding their heads in their hands nervous. I think it was Mee for Burnley had his header cleared off the line, and then for the second corner Mee again had his header saved at the near post.  How on earth can we let the same player nearly score from almost identical corners in quick succession? As I said its just embarrassing.

      A draw was probably a fair result because even though we bossed the possession, we didn't do enough to win the game in my opinion.

      So to summarise, I was very happy with the starting 11 but I thought klopp left it far too late to make changes when it was obvious things weren't going our way or to plan. The back four is a joke and we won't win a thing with them. Firmino is ineffective on the flank and needs to be in the middle every game. Salah looks a real player and he was my motm again. He can be a bit more polished in the final third but apart from that I think he has been superb for us so far. 2 points dropped in a game we should be winning.



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