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      HScRed1
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      Re: We AREN'T going to win the league this season, it's OK, get used to it.
      Reply #46: Sep 18, 2017 03:52:24 pm
      Luke you go from a great opening post in this thread to this silliness and turn a good discussion about this seasons expectations into an excercise in excusing previous misdemeanours by impatient fans  :lmao:.

      Seriously, I have no need nor reason to rehash whatever happened with previous managers. I merely acknowledged where Beers references came from, and I have sympathy with his fear that there are double standards at play.

      Not from me obviously ;D, I don't believe in sacking good managers. As you know yourself, the only reason I felt it was time to go was because the majority of the fan base had turned on him. It's exactly in the hope that such nonsense doesn't prevail this time around that I aired my views earlier.

      What double standards?

      You and Beer obviously think Rodgers is in the same class as Klopp.
      Im sure you and Beer would turn down the opportunity of Messi coming here keeping hold of Coutinho instead!...........same scenario.

      The only reason fans turned on Rodgers was the trajectory we were heading in which was down.
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      Reply #47: Sep 18, 2017 04:01:53 pm

      Glad you put a smiley there and aren't actually being serious, because that really would be a worry. :lmao:

      As you know yourself, the only reason I felt it was time to go was because the majority of the fan base had turned on him.

      Nah, as I know myself, you didn't Mick. You thought he'd lost the players too, or are we ignoring that part too? Total rewriting of history, or fabrications, lies, hypocrisy, double standards, whatever else you want to call them.

      However, even if I accepted you've since changed your mind and now thought Rodgers should have stayed on, that would only serve to make you look even more foolish considering the direction we were headed as shown above. Unfortunately, facts and debating them have now left this topic and we're left with nothing more than the big wooden spoon and the "Brendan is a a great manager, I knew all along" rubbish.

      He failed, when will you ever get over it?
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      Reply #48: Sep 18, 2017 04:33:00 pm
      Glad you put a smiley there and aren't actually being serious, because that really would be a worry. :lmao:

      Nah, as I know myself, you didn't Mick. You thought he'd lost the players too, or are we ignoring that part too? Total rewriting of history, or fabrications, lies, hypocrisy, double standards, whatever else you want to call them.

      However, even if I accepted you've since changed your mind and now thought Rodgers should have stayed on, that would only serve to make you look even more foolish considering the direction we were headed as shown above. Unfortunately, facts and debating them have now left this topic and we're left with nothing more than the big wooden spoon and the "Brendan is a a great manager, I knew all along" rubbish.

      He failed, when will you ever get over it?

      Dear oh dear, why lie? I don't know whether your memory plays tricks with you or you just will something to be the case so much it becomes true in your own head.


      Anyways, THE DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT RODGERS LUKE. You are completely obsessed with the man for reasons completely best known to yourself. Whether or not he failed isn't the issue at hand nor the point I made in my opening post. The point I made in my opening post was that we all well remember previously sensible people losing the plot over previous managers (you no doubt remember it too as you were one of them), and I for one would rather we don't do the same with Jürgen. The early signs are there however and it's troubling me a bit (I gave a couple of examples in my opening post). As we know from before, it wasn't that we'd let a goal in that was the worry, it was suddenly whether or not the manager had had his teeth done, what he was wearing, what his body language was like, whether or not he was "bullshitting" etc etc. I'm seeing similar traits (or the early stages of) being levelled towards Jürgen, I hope people hold their nerve and stop it.

      Now before you sprint off on one of your lengthy tangent posts about Rodgers (you are every bit as obsessed with him as you are Roberto Firmino, albeit in the opposite direction) I'm going to leave you to it. That post of yours will be littered with quotes so it ends up looking like one of those boxy spreadsheet things, there'll be blokes with yellow heads rolling about on the floor, there'll be accusations that I said things I didn't, you'll have Joe Allen down as being here before Rodgers came (or have you changed that yet?) and all manner of nonsense you're dreamed up.

      Unlike you though I have no desire to discuss Rodgers and his flipped triangle, certainly not in my "lets get behind Jürgen" thread in any case. If you wish to vent your obsession with the man, why don't you go and do it his own thread like you do normally if they lose against PSG or Barca in Europe? They lost 6-0 or something the other night, they'll no doubt lose by a similar score against Bayern Munich too. Go in there and discuss how that makes the man a fool till your hearts content, but not in here mate eh?     
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      Reply #49: Sep 18, 2017 04:51:40 pm
      What double standards?

      You and Beer obviously think Rodgers is in the same class as Klopp.
      Im sure you and Beer would turn down the opportunity of Messi coming here keeping hold of Coutinho instead!...........same scenario.


      The only reason fans turned on Rodgers was the trajectory we were heading in which was down.

      I can't speak for Beer, but although I think they are both good managers Jürgen IMHO is the better of the two and comfortably. I don't to be totally honest understand your Coutinho/Messi thing, perhaps you've got me mixed up with somebody else or something? I'd sell Coutinho whether or not we were signing Messi (which obviously we aren't).

      As for the reasons fans turned on Rodgers, I don't really care to be honest. I personally wouldn't have gotten rid of him that is true and well known, but the fact that a vast majority of others would is why in the end even I said well he may as well go.

      I thought the point of my post was fairly clear though until one or two usual suspects started trying to turn it into the same old debate. My point is I can sense there are now rumblings about Jürgen, and I personally think it would be a huge mistake to get rid of him.

      Beers point it seems to me (IMHO, no doubt he can explain it better) is that if the fans who turned on Rodgers wanted 4th place and trophies or else, they really ought to expect the same out of Jürgen. I totally understand where he is coming from but there are two points I'd make.

      1. I thought the expectations placed on Rodgers were unrealistic given the squad strength relative to other clubs, so it would be the height of hypocracy for me to now demand the quadruple off Jürgen.

      2. It is for other people to explain away their double standards in terms of altered expectations (if indeed they are there). Me, I just hope we as fans are patient enough to give THIS manager a fair shake.

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      Reply #50: Sep 18, 2017 05:03:29 pm
      I don't think anyone still believes we can win the league this season. Our defense and transfer inactivity has made sure of that. I just hope we can clinch top 4 since Arsenal and Spurs are also not exactly firing on all cylinders and win a cup as we can be world beaters on our day.
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      Re: We AREN'T going to win the league this season, it's OK, get used to it.
      Reply #51: Sep 18, 2017 05:13:48 pm
      I don't to be totally honest understand your Coutinho/Messi thing, perhaps you've got me mixed up with somebody else or something? I'd sell Coutinho whether or not we were signing Messi (which obviously we aren't).


      Simple, if Messi becomes available and is attainable you don't turn him down because we already have a player who plays in that position, same was the case with Klopp why would you turn him down just because we had Rodgers and most people would agree we were going backwards under his reign.

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      Reply #52: Sep 18, 2017 05:15:52 pm
      I don't think anyone still believes we can win the league this season.

      I do,secretly.. And, I hope fervently.. :D
      Yea, I am mad.. But, what the hell..
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      Reply #53: Sep 18, 2017 05:22:04 pm
      Simple, if Messi becomes available and is attainable you don't turn him down because we already have a player who plays in that position, same was the case with Klopp why would you turn him down just because we had Rodgers and most people would agree we were going backwards under his reign.



      Ah right, gotcha. Like I said though as Coutinho doesn't want to play for us I'd sell him anyway regardless of who we're bringing in. 
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      Reply #54: Sep 18, 2017 05:35:56 pm
      Dear oh dear, why lie? I don't know whether your memory plays tricks with you or you just will something to be the case so much it becomes true in your own head.

      Really:

      Sometimes though a manager loses the players or at least stops getting his message across, sometimes with that he loses his way. We've had successful managers before who'd done that IMHO, and we've got it again. It happens to the best of managers, and while Brendan might not yet be one of those he is a pretty decent one IMHO.

      When it happens though you have to move on, both from the club and the managers point of view. We're at that time again I'm afraid.   

      Or:

      I've supported Brendan with the best of them mate, but whoever is the manager at the time of the signings gets either the credit or the criticism for their success in my eyes, simple as that. If Brendan either didn't want the players or didn't like the system of identifying them, he should either have said so or resigned.   

      There's many more Mick but these are the types of quotes I was referring to when suggesting you say a manager should take credit or criticism for his signings and that he'd lost the dressing room.

      The problem is Mick that you continue to throw accusations at people that are baseless yet don't take the responsibility for your own words. Either he should be gone and we can move on or we'll continue to dance through the raindrops and pretend that we thought Brendan should have stayed and he's a really great manager.

      Anyways, THE DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT RODGERS LUKE. You are completely obsessed with the man for reasons completely best known to yourself.

      So after you mentioned him, you discussed his signings and how you thought he was hounded out of the club; throwing the same tired accusations at people and seriously suggesting "this same group" would be hounding Jürgen out for "the same reasons"  it's me who's obsessed with him. Comedy gold Mick, comedy gold. :lmao:

      The obsession is actually with you continually trying to pin labels on people and pretending Brendan was anything more than a failure. Like I said, when will you get over it?

      The fact that (possibly genuine in your mind) you can't see the monumental differences between then and now is astonishing. The trajectory for Jürgen's team is going one way, the pieces are quite clearly being put together, not pulled apart and the club is finally looking like it is working together rather than being completely disjointed both off the pitch and on it ("square pegs in round holes").

      Unfortunately, the moment you dragged Rodgers back into the debate, trying to pin those labels on people once more was the moment the wooden spoon came out and the debate lost it's merit; facts became irrelevant and the circle was complete yet again.
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      Reply #55: Sep 18, 2017 06:05:17 pm
      Simple, if Messi becomes available and is attainable you don't turn him down because we already have a player who plays in that position
      Good point. 👍

      There are players out there who are better than what we have and we really should sign them. I think that's what Mick is suggesting too, to be fair.

      I know you agree with Mick that we won't win anything this season. I also know you blame Jürgen for "F***ing up" and that is, perhaps where you two differ.

      I know because you said so yourself...

      Might as well forget about winning any silverware with that defence.

      Club and Klopp have fu**ed up big time over the defence.

      I'm a bit baffled tho as to how a thread asking for folk not to turn on the boss could turn into a dickswinging competition.

      Well I say baffled but I'm not really - one mention of hypocrites or double standards and paranoid Pete hijacks the thread to make it about him... silly wee man. 🙄


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      Reply #56: Sep 18, 2017 06:46:08 pm
      And this is the reason why we won't win the league, nothing nobody didn't already know.

      So even though we don't concede a lot of chances but when we do they are big chances, or simply they are cock ups leading to easy chances for opposition strikers.

      But it's something that can be rectified simply however seeing as though we have the same personnel at the back it doesn't conspire confidence.


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      Reply #57: Sep 18, 2017 07:04:35 pm
      Sometimes though a manager loses the players, or at least stops getting his message across. You found a quote where I said he'd stopped getting his message accross  :f_doh:! Clearly he had, we weren't playing that well.  But we both know Lukey that the reason I eventually toed the line with the pitchfork crew was because Brendan had lost the fans, well the more volatile ones anyway. I said it one numerous occasions both before and after he was gone, I've even said it since.

      You definitely are obsessed with the man though, I was simply responding to Beerbelly's excellent post. The problem is that as soon as someone (not me, anyone) points out the obvious that there are double standards at play or hypocrisy, you completely lose the plot and start spitting foam. It's not me who constantly goes into the Rodgers thread posting pictures up, neither is it me who celebrates and rolls around on the floor when they can't beat Barcelona in Europe. I personally couldn't really care about Rodgers, but you my friend are obsessed  :laugh:.

      I've a hunch that although you'd never admit it, you secretly are well aware that you completely let yourself down in your behavior over the last 14 months or so of Rodgers reign and that's what causes your angst. From that, there's a psychotic desire to prove that not only were you "right all along" and Rodgers is a buffoon (which explains why you and the crew couldn't even give credit when they won every trophy in Scotland and went unbeaten in all competitions all season :lmao:), but also you are desperate now to display your loyalty to Jürgen like a badge of honour. That's my hunch and the only way I can explain your absolute obsession with Rodgers and any discussion of him.

      I don't have that problem though mate, I didn't let myself down. I just don't want to go through the whole embarrassing episode all over again with Jürgen, that's all.   

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      Reply #58: Sep 18, 2017 07:08:15 pm
      I think Mick's original post conflates 2 pretty different things:

      Jürgen is still the right man for us;

      we should just accept not challenging for the title this season.

      The former is definitely right. The latter is, in my opinion, definitely wrong. We could well have been challenging for the league this season. And, while I think it's unlikely, I'm not ready to give up on the slim possibility that we still might. Not in September. Leicester won it 2 years ago for F**k sake!

      On a further point, the fact that Jürgen is the right manager for us does not mean he is beyond all criticism, and fans have the right to moan about particular managerial decisions without it being inferred they want him out. ( As for loons who phone up radio talk shows saying they actually do want him out - just says it all about the media really, a magnet for a certain type of idiot.)
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      Reply #59: Sep 18, 2017 07:35:17 pm
      Sometimes though a manager loses the players, or at least stops getting his message across. You found a quote where I said he'd stopped getting his message accross  :f_doh:! Clearly he had, we weren't playing that well.  But we both know Lukey that the reason I eventually toed the line with the pitchfork crew was because Brendan had lost the fans, well the more volatile ones anyway. I said it one numerous occasions both before and after he was gone, I've even said it since.

      You definitely are obsessed with the man though, I was simply responding to Beerbelly's excellent post. The problem is that as soon as someone (not me, anyone) points out the obvious that there are double standards at play or hypocrisy, you completely lose the plot and start spitting foam. It's not me who constantly goes into the Rodgers thread posting pictures up, neither is it me who celebrates and rolls around on the floor when they can't beat Barcelona in Europe. I personally couldn't really care about Rodgers, but you my friend are obsessed  :laugh:.

      I've a hunch that although you'd never admit it, you secretly are well aware that you completely let yourself down in your behavior over the last 14 months or so of Rodgers reign and that's what causes your angst. From that, there's a psychotic desire to prove that not only were you "right all along" and Rodgers is a buffoon (which explains why you and the crew couldn't even give credit when they won every trophy in Scotland and went unbeaten in all competitions all season :lmao:), but also you are desperate now to display your loyalty to Jürgen like a badge of honour. That's my hunch and the only way I can explain your absolute obsession with Rodgers and any discussion of him.

      I don't have that problem though mate, I didn't let myself down. I just don't want to go through the whole embarrassing episode all over again with Jürgen, that's all.   



      Holy sh*t you're still denying it:

      It happens to the best of them in the end. The training routines become a little tedious, the team talks a little predictable, the belief around the place that we've "got the right man in charge" ebbs away. Those on the fringes and not in the team find that their whispers of discontentment get listened to even by those actually in the starting eleven, some of whom bemoan the lack of pattern or the position they are asked to play in. There are phone calls at night between members of the squad who bemoan the lack of quality in some of their teammates, the lack of quality in the coach, and they finish by urging each other to keep their chin up as "something will have to give" soon.

      People call it "losing the dressing room" but in reality everyone who has ever worked for a living and has had a line manager will have seen the same scenario. It doesn't have to be a "dressing room" as such, it could be a factory floor or even a political party where a leader is doomed. It's normally fairly easy to spot, probably even easier to smell, and the stench of discontent emanating out of the TV last night was enough to turn the stomach. The little giveaways are in the body language, the reaction to mistakes by teammates, the signs of little cliques whereby certain players are more prone to pass to particular others, in rolls of the eyes and knowing looks when the ball doesn't come in time.

      When the sh!t hits the fan as it is doing in increasing mass every week at Anfield, people look after themselves. They vow not to be the one to make a mistake, not to put themselves out to encourage others, to concentrate "on their own game" so that when the dust settles there'll still be a place in the squad for them. They play with a safety first policy at the front of their minds (for most of us it translates to fear), they are loathe to take a risk with a first time pass, a dribble or even to dwell a fraction longer on the ball to wait for a door to open. In fear they play two touch, one to control it and one to roll it along to the next potential f*cker upper. Like an inverted game of pass the parcel, the ball is treated like a bomb which is about to go off at any moment and all touches are delicate, slow and deliberate so as not to agitate the explosive consequences.

      I'm loathe to criticise the players too much, or to judge them. Players such as young Jordan Ibe have shown me that he has the potential to be very good, but that he is currently very bad is neither beyond dispute nor in all probability his fault. Emre Can is another young player with vast potential, but as he wrestles with his natural inclination to play in midfield and the instructions to play "in a back three" you can see his game unravelling, sadly so can he and he gets progressively worse by the week.

      It's all a bit of a mess really and something needs to happen soon. For the long term good of the football club Danny Sturridge has come back at the worst time possible. Superb player that he is he will win us matches on his own (as he did on Saturday where we certainly wouldn't have won without him). He will be a sticking plaster while he stays fit though, scoring heavily and concealing the cancer which lies beneath. Should he have a good day on Sunday, he may even do enough to secure a result at Goodison, and as I said so good is he that he will in all probability score at least once. That won't change things though even if he does perform heroics, even though it will represent "five games unbeaten" or whatever it'll be. We are lost as a club, and now sadly lost as a team too.

      My guess is the new manager if/when Brendan gets the push won't be Klopp or Ancellotti, not under these owners. It'll be someone already employed by the club, step forward Gary McAllister. He wouldn't be my choice either, but at least he'll put the mythical "smile back on the face" of the players. He might play 4-4-2 and actually employ a system which the players can work with and understand, and at least we'll "go for it" a bit more than we do currently. Seeing young Joe Gomez and Koulo Toure pass it to each other six or seven times straight from the kick off yesterday, without a willing teammate to give it to was a sad sight to see. Perhaps you have to be a Liverpool supporter to see it, or even at the very least a football fan, which is why the owners can't or won't see it. Ayre and Gordon won't see it obviously, because if they do they may as well tell the owners that they've had a hand in the waste of a huge sum of money (which they have).

      Even if you're not a football fan though, even if you know nothing about the game, just as a human being there must surely be enough perception in everyone, enough empathy to recognise a group of people who are floundering under the pressure, led by a man who is drowning under it. It's time for a change, it probably was earlier, but it certainly is now.             

      Your words Mick:

       "It's normally fairly easy to spot, probably even easier to smell, and the stench of discontent emanating out of the TV last night was enough to turn the stomach."

      Clearly you weren't saying he'd lost the dressing room here either, as I said there were many of them but I'm done with this now because I respect you and this has got stupid at this point.
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      Reply #60: Sep 18, 2017 07:55:23 pm
      Feels like after we lost at Man U, am I right?  :lmao:
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      Reply #61: Sep 18, 2017 08:46:45 pm
      Accept that we are not going to win the League, but some silverware, would be some consolation. That is why all competitions, should be taken seriously even the FA cup !
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      Reply #62: Sep 18, 2017 09:14:54 pm
      Btw, tho unlikely we'll win the title, have to aim to PROGRESS on last season. As never really thought would win the league, am not lowering expectations because that's not something I'd expected anyway.
      Before the summer I'd have been looking to push for 3rd, at least collect more PL points. Make a decent showing in the CL. Maybe do well in one of the other cups.
      Not going to lower those expectations just because the summer was short of what was promised. Otherwise, you end up resetting targets, and going nowhere becomes something that is 'explained away'.
      We can SAY we are going in the right direction, and imho we have made progress in some areas, but I'd like to SEE the results, and that's proven by PL position and placing in other comps, year on year.
      My priority is the title, and as per 'Alien', 'all other priorities rescinded'.  Other comps should work around it. The much maligned BR got within a whisker of it, and tho getting to finals is great, that is the closest we've come the BIG prize in decades.  Won't soon forget that.
      I'll stick by the manager, but it's a RESULTS business. Can argue this way and that, but results do all the speaking needed. Likely won't win the title this year, but if we're not improving, strengthening weak areas etc. (all things considered eg. we have CL to balance this season) then serious questions need to be, and should be, asked.
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      Reply #63: Sep 18, 2017 10:16:09 pm
      Btw, tho unlikely we'll win the title, have to aim to PROGRESS on last season. As never really thought would win the league, am not lowering expectations because that's not something I'd expected anyway.
      Before the summer I'd have been looking to push for 3rd, at least collect more PL points. Make a decent showing in the CL. Maybe do well in one of the other cups.
      Not going to lower those expectations just because the summer was short of what was promised. Otherwise, you end up resetting targets, and going nowhere becomes something that is 'explained away'.
      We can SAY we are going in the right direction, and imho we have made progress in some areas, but I'd like to SEE the results, and that's proven by PL position and placing in other comps, year on year.
      My priority is the title, and as per 'Alien', 'all other priorities rescinded'.  Other comps should work around it. The much maligned BR got within a whisker of it, and tho getting to finals is great, that is the closest we've come the BIG prize in decades.  Won't soon forget that.
      I'll stick by the manager, but it's a RESULTS business. Can argue this way and that, but results do all the speaking needed. Likely won't win the title this year, but if we're not improving, strengthening weak areas etc. (all things considered eg. we have CL to balance this season) then serious questions need to be, and should be, asked.



      Aiming to progress is fair enough mate, but I'd be very impressed if we managed it (particularly in the league). The Cups are doable given decent draws, but even then as we showed last season when getting beat at Home by both Wolves and Southampton, there are no certainties.

      In the league, although IMHO we have a better squad than last season I think we have a harder task. We're in Europe for one thing which people always underestimate, and both Man City and Man Utd have IMHO improved a fair bit more than we have. Chelsea and Tottenham are probably around the same level as last season, but both were coming from a starting position which is well ahead of us. Outside the top six there doesn't appear to me to be anything to be scared of, and seventh could literally be anybody at all. Given that, you really have to beat everyone else on a consistent basis, and I just don't see us doing it.

      The top four for me has the two Manc clubs and Chelsea already booked in, our only chance IMHO is if the Wembley thing disturbs Spurs all season. I don't think it will though, so I expect us to be fifth ahead of Arsenal. Now I know many will say "well we've gone backwards" if that happens, and although we kind of have, it's not as simple as that. What has happened/is happening is that there are a handful of teams who have improved more than we have, and had we got VVD and Kieta I would have THEN expected us to better fourth.
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      Reply #64: Sep 18, 2017 11:22:51 pm
      My question to you Mick is that last season you went on record as saying you'd lost a bit of interest in our season once we went out of the trophy hunt in all the competitions and you weren't particularly bothered about where we finished.

      So if we are playing for 4th at best are you okay with that this year?

      I think Klopp is being offered an easy ride here in that when he was brought in the feel around the place was one of excitement. Well we've not done anything yet, and i like you have qualifying for the Champions League as a minimum requirement and not something to mess up the kleenex.

      For his time here to be judged as any kind of success he will have to put trophies in the cabinet and serioisly challenge for a title. He still has time on his side, but I personally am not willing to keep my expectations as low as a top 4 place for the next 3 seasons after this one.

      If he cannot build a squad capable of challenging for a title and winning trophies then that's on him really.

      I'm willing to believe on this occasion the money is there for him for a defender, so his opinion that we can't improve on Lovren or Klavan has in all likelihood resulted in like you saying us playing for the minor honours of 4 5 and 6.

      It's just my opinion that he's not looked after us very well for this season, and that will in all probability really start to grate on me as the season comes to an end and we're not even the bridesmaids while our rivals are off to plan their celebrations.

      Tomorrow is huge for me, easily or best chance at glory, but every chance we will throw it away too.
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      Re: We AREN'T going to win the league this season, it's OK, get used to it.
      Reply #65: Sep 19, 2017 12:31:18 am
      We're never going to win the league if we don't spend some freaking money!


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      Re: We AREN'T going to win the league this season, it's OK, get used to it.
      Reply #66: Sep 19, 2017 12:33:45 am
      F**k off Mick -- we are not only going to win the league, we are also going to win the CL and FA cups.  Will likely miss out on the League Cup though.....  😎
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      Re: We AREN'T going to win the league this season, it's OK, get used to it.
      Reply #67: Sep 19, 2017 01:06:04 am
      I'm beginning to get a little concerned. It bothers me when I read people say they are "beginning to doubt" our title challenge, it worries me when I see people saying "if Klopp doesn't sort out the defence he will get the sack", it irks me when I hear recordings of cockney clowns who are supposedly LFC fans ringing 606 saying "Klopp is a clown". 

       IMHO it isn't dodgy defences which bring down managers, it's unrealistic expectations of the owners and fan base. So lets nail this one here and now, we will not challenge for the title this season. Even a top four slot would be a massive achievement. Now I know that won't make me popular (as if I give a f***), but at least it means I don't have unrealistic expectations of the manager this season. Obviously I have ASPIRATIONS (and I "hope I'm wrong" and all that other bollocksy caveat sh*te which people put down on posts like these), but I'm pretty sure my hopes and aspirations will remain only that, THIS SEASON AT LEAST.

       So why can't we win it (FFS?).Well quite simply we haven't got a good enough team yet. The goalkeeper, defence and defensive midfield aspect of our team is probably bottom half at best. For that reason alone, we WILL NOT win the league, or IMHO seriously challenge for it either. Added to that, we don't IMHO have enough guile and variety against bus parkers to consistently break them down, there will IMHO be too many occasions like yesterday where we will not gain the necessary 3 points. We don't have a centre forward who scores heavily, nor do we have a midfielder who arrives and scores regularly.

       All that though isn't the bit that worries me the most. No, the bit that concerns me are the quietly whispered signs that people are losing faith in the manager. We must not do that IMHO, as losing Jürgen would be an absolute disaster for the club. It seems odd to be asking for people to have patience with a proven World Class manager, but there are rumblings in the jungle.

       I would ask people to consider what the team would look like if we had managed to get Kieta and VVD. It would look a LOT stronger, and in time it WILL look a lot stronger. For now though, we're going to give too many silly goals away, and IMHO both Manc clubs and Chelsea will finish above us, possibly Spurs too. Jürgen knows his zweibeln though, he has an inherent and an obvious football intelligence. Perhaps he's been a bit too loyal to some players, a bit too nice, but we would be fools to hang him for that.

       Enjoy this season, it will be a rollercoaster, but don't be too suicidal if we don't win the quadruple. Stick with the boss though, FFS stick with the boss. If we hounded this fella out I think I'd give up altogether. 
       


      A month left of the transfer window was when I knew what our season would be like. I have said it before, its pointless hoping for anything at this stage, we dont spend money on players, we all know the reasons why we have failed in the past and why it will continue in the future. We dont have the squad, we dont have the quality, there is nothing here to look forward to.

      The only guarantee we have is that we will be like Students. We will continue to learn from each lesson (match) but at the end of it all, a bar job will be all you have to show for it.
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      Re: We AREN'T going to win the league this season, it's OK, get used to it.
      Reply #68: Sep 19, 2017 07:01:31 am
      The scary part is learning never stops so we would keep on conceding soft goals, each funnier than the previous and learn a new lesson every match.
      « Last Edit: Sep 19, 2017 07:05:57 am by red_kaiser »

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