We need to talk about Henderson...

Quote from Swab on Dec 12, 2017 07:13:09 pm

Bottom line for me, is that I follow the club tradition of supporting a player (not slagging him off) if he wears our shirt and gives 100%

That goes as much for Migs and Lovren as it does for Henderson.

Some of the comments in match threads are disgusting; no one, given our tradition of supporting our players should be calling ANY player a "c**t" a "w**ker" or whatever, and whenever I see it, I think it's a f**king disgrace.

I agree, I don't like using vulgar terms such as those you mentioned, it is okay to say a player is not good enough for us... sub par etc... like I do every day about Henderson, and night on the occasions that I sleep talk... but nobody and I mean nobody should say C or W word about our own players. Henderson, Lovren and Migs have built up a bad repor. It is not without merit and I think they will slowly be phased out, Klopp is a bit too patient so it may take a while.

Quote from GERNS on Dec 12, 2017 12:27:01 am

I can't believe there is anyone out there, thinking that Henderson is of high enough quality to lead Liverpool Football Club as captain.

Not a fan of Jürgen then

Regarding the captaincy most people defending Jordan:
- think if another captain candidate is signed then that person should definitely should be considered for the armband
- that given there is nobody else in the squad really challenging for the armband, Jordan is the most experienced option to fill the role
- feel fair play to him for taking on the responsibilty while knowing he's by no means a popular choice
- that SG is a really tough act to follow
- don't think Jürgen has a 'blind spot' and that he DOES in fact feel he's the best person we have right now for the job

And yet (the majority of?) people still think this is a ridiculous choice.
I'm with the manager on this one.

Quote from bmck on Dec 12, 2017 09:01:53 pm

Not a fan of Jürgen then

Well as you ask Mick, Yes I am generally, but some of his tactical line ups and some subs he makes just baffle me. And Hendo as captain also baffles me. If you wanted a captain to lead by example, in effort and application, it would have to be Bob above Hendo. If it was for skill and ability it would have to be Couts. As for a solid creative player in the mid field, who can dictate play and control the centre of the park. Reorganise his players when needed, and generally boss it in there. Still waiting for him to arrive. $:-\$

Quote from GERNS on Dec 12, 2017 04:20:14 pm

If it was for skill and ability it would have to be Couts

Lost the argument right there.....what Captain til he fucks off to Barca?

Honest question: can someone tell me the last time that a player---in his prime---was stripped of his captaincy, at a big club? I mean ANY big club.

The last time I can think of something even remotely similar was when Rooney lost the captaincy at United, but again, he wasn't in his prime. He was getting on and couldn't play anymore.

Point being: everyone says "well Klopp thinks Henderson is good enough to be captain, that's all that matters." For those amongst you with memory problems, it was Rodgers who named Henderson captain, NOT Klopp. Klopp came to the club with Henderson already the captain. Do you honestly think that if Klopp had come to the club and there was no chosen captain, that he would've picked Henderson again? Of course not. That decision was solely down to Rodgers, and we all know about his poor decision making.

So for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy would be crushing for Henderson; he'd basically have to sell him at that point. Because he can't say "you're too old," or that it was because of some off-field disciplinary issues or something. Henderson is a stand up lad who just puts his head down and gets on with it; the *only* possible reason for Klopp would be "you're just not good enough." And I don't think Klopp is ruthless enough to rock the boat like that. Hell, he's not even ruthless enough to drop Lovren!

So please, enough with this "well he's good enough for Klopp." No. We have no idea if he's good enough for Klopp. We just know that at this point, it's too much of a gamble for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy.

Quote from federer on Dec 13, 2017 07:46:27 am

Honest question: can someone tell me the last time that a player---in his prime---was stripped of his captaincy, at a big club? I mean ANY big club.

The last time I can think of something even remotely similar was when Rooney lost the captaincy at United, but again, he wasn't in his prime. He was getting on and couldn't play anymore.

Point being: everyone says "well Klopp thinks Henderson is good enough to be captain, that's all that matters." For those amongst you with memory problems, it was Rodgers who named Henderson captain, NOT Klopp. Klopp came to the club with Henderson already the captain. Do you honestly think that if Klopp had come to the club and there was no chosen captain, that he would've picked Henderson again? Of course not. That decision was solely down to Rodgers, and we all know about his poor decision making.

So for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy would be crushing for Henderson; he'd basically have to sell him at that point. Because he can't say "you're too old," or that it was because of some off-field disciplinary issues or something. Henderson is a stand up lad who just puts his head down and gets on with it; the *only* possible reason for Klopp would be "you're just not good enough." And I don't think Klopp is ruthless enough to rock the boat like that. Hell, he's not even ruthless enough to drop Lovren!

So please, enough with this "well he's good enough for Klopp." No. We have no idea if he's good enough for Klopp. We just know that at this point, it's too much of a gamble for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy.

Last example I can think of is probably us when big Sami handed the armband to Stevie.

There is no stand out candidate for the armband to go to imo, so no point changing it until there is or we will just have the debates over and over.

Quote from Magillionare on Dec 12, 2017 06:17:28 pm

Show me where I said Hamann wasn't a good player. Show me where I even suggested. First it was thinking I was calling him world class now it's saying I think Hamann wasn't any good! I thought he was great, did the simple work that often went unnoticed, just like I think Henderson does.

I've just told you.

I have made my feelings perfectly clear on Henderson. You know full well how little I rate him.

You then said it was 'ironic' and 'strange' that I have Hamann in my name but continue to criticise Henderson. Therefore, you're clearly suggesting that Hamann wasn't a good player.

Hamann was a fine player. He was a very good player actually, far better than Henderson, but this thread isn't about him, it's you who brought him into it making comparisons which in my opinion are just laughable.

I also didn't say you thought Henderson was world class. You, Harrismo, Scotia and whoever else all think he does the simple things brilliantly well and you all use this to back your arguments up. Harrismo in particularly says we all expect too much from Henderson but he doesn't have the ability or capabilities to pull it off.

I was only making an example and said that other simple like players such as Kante are still world class footballers and Henderson is still many levels below him.

Nobody expects Henderson to score 30 yard Gerrard screamers every game or dribble past 7 men like Messi or put Firmino through on goal with a 50 yard pass like Pirlo would. But what he does do just isn't enough.

The weight of the armband is too much for him and he receives more criticism for it. It isn't about following Steven Gerrard. We all accept he isn't anywhere near as good as Gerrard was. But neither was Lucas. But Lucas would never shy out of a tackle for example. Lucas was another player who wasn't the greatest in the world but he wore his heart on his sleeve and for that reason he became a big fan favourite. Dirk Kuyt was another one.

If Henderson had that grit and determination in him he would win many people over despite being a very limited footballer. But he shys away, especially in games where going gets tough. He doesn't have it in him to captain this club and he isn't good enough as a footballer either.

Quote from federer on Dec 13, 2017 07:46:27 am

Honest question: can someone tell me the last time that a player---in his prime---was stripped of his captaincy, at a big club? I mean ANY big club.

Paul Ince at Liverpool. That was pretty ruthless if memory serves me right.

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Quote from federer on Dec 13, 2017 07:46:27 am

Honest question: can someone tell me the last time that a player---in his prime---was stripped of his captaincy, at a big club? I mean ANY big club.

The last time I can think of something even remotely similar was when Rooney lost the captaincy at United, but again, he wasn't in his prime. He was getting on and couldn't play anymore.

Point being: everyone says "well Klopp thinks Henderson is good enough to be captain, that's all that matters." For those amongst you with memory problems, it was Rodgers who named Henderson captain, NOT Klopp. Klopp came to the club with Henderson already the captain. Do you honestly think that if Klopp had come to the club and there was no chosen captain, that he would've picked Henderson again? Of course not. That decision was solely down to Rodgers, and we all know about his poor decision making.

So for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy would be crushing for Henderson; he'd basically have to sell him at that point. Because he can't say "you're too old," or that it was because of some off-field disciplinary issues or something. Henderson is a stand up lad who just puts his head down and gets on with it; the *only* possible reason for Klopp would be "you're just not good enough." And I don't think Klopp is ruthless enough to rock the boat like that. Hell, he's not even ruthless enough to drop Lovren!

So please, enough with this "well he's good enough for Klopp." No. We have no idea if he's good enough for Klopp. We just know that at this point, it's too much of a gamble for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy.

What I would do if I were Klopp, I'd bench Hendo as much as possible and use Ox, Can, Gini or Lallana... etc... and Keita when he gets here. Hendo can't captain from the bench and he has not officially been dropped. Eventually he'll be gone and we can all bask in the instant improvement that championship quality is being filtered from our side.

When you say rock the boat, it would really rock the boat if our better players decided, I'm fedup of playing alongside Henderson, Loven and Migs who keeps on turning off, I want to play along side the worlds best because I am good enough?
We have Firmino, Coutinho, Salah, Mane... etc that could easily get fedup of putting out brilliant performances and get dragged down by other players like Henderson bottling it. After the world cup, we will be inundated with offers from Real, Barca, Bayern... we need to sort this **** out this season quickly.

You can predict the future by looking at the past, that is how artificial intelligence works. Sterling, Suarez, Torres gone quickly... even Coutinho wanted to move on the greener pastures. We struggle to hold onto great talent now. It's not going to stop until we stop playing sub par players and praising them when they perform average.

When was the last time Henderson played outstanding enough to say, wow Henderson, I can understand why you are the captain? Never.... Henderson is all good when we are demolishing teams, but 1-0 down or at 0-0 he's invisible and clumsy. 3-0 he's a totally different player. It's not captain material.

Those people who say we have no obvious choices obviously don't know about Firmino.

Firmino

Hard working
Gets on with all players
Makes valuable contributions for the team
Ethical
Strong willed

I think the real reason Firmino won't be captain is not because Klopp won't drop Hendo, it is because Firmino is probably to nice a person to accept being a captain after Henderson because Firmino would feel bad about it and I think that same thing can be said for many players, so yes Rodgers, not Klopps choice has to stick whilst Henderson is at the club, which means for another player to actually want to be a captain Henderson has to go totally.

The problem is, like many of our previous greats said, we don;t have a natural leader in the team now that has a very strong character that will rally the team to the finishing line when the going gets tough. Take a look right from Migs to Salah, there is none. Absolutely none. The way forward is to go buy a world class DM that has all the attributes while many of us said we needed one since long long time ago.

Quote from redkop63 on Dec 13, 2017 10:10:41 am

The problem is, like many of our previous greats said, we don;t have a natural leader in the team now that has a very strong character that will rally the team to the finishing line when the going gets tough. Take a look right from Migs to Salah, there is none. Absolutely none. The way forward is to go buy a world class DM that has all the attributes while many of us said we needed one since long long time ago.

Twoddle. Plenty of candidates, the problem was illustrated by Federer who said something like, who would want to be captain if Hendo was stripped of it? etc... raised a good point. It will upset the apple cart. Hendo is not a good captain but he was Rodgers choice and only way we will get a new captain is to flog him.

Quote from HamannsTheMan on Dec 13, 2017 08:30:26 am

I've just told you.

I have made my feelings perfectly clear on Henderson. You know full well how little I rate him.

You then said it was 'ironic' and 'strange' that I have Hamann in my name but continue to criticise Henderson. Therefore, you're clearly suggesting that Hamann wasn't a good player.

Hamann was a fine player. He was a very good player actually, far better than Henderson, but this thread isn't about him, it's you who brought him into it making comparisons which in my opinion are just laughable.

I also didn't say you thought Henderson was world class. You, Harrismo, Scotia and whoever else all think he does the simple things brilliantly well and you all use this to back your arguments up. Harrismo in particularly says we all expect too much from Henderson but he doesn't have the ability or capabilities to pull it off.

I was only making an example and said that other simple like players such as Kante are still world class footballers and Henderson is still many levels below him.

Nobody expects Henderson to score 30 yard Gerrard screamers every game or dribble past 7 men like Messi or put Firmino through on goal with a 50 yard pass like Pirlo would. But what he does do just isn't enough.

The weight of the armband is too much for him and he receives more criticism for it. It isn't about following Steven Gerrard. We all accept he isn't anywhere near as good as Gerrard was. But neither was Lucas. But Lucas would never shy out of a tackle for example. Lucas was another player who wasn't the greatest in the world but he wore his heart on his sleeve and for that reason he became a big fan favourite. Dirk Kuyt was another one.

If Henderson had that grit and determination in him he would win many people over despite being a very limited footballer. But he shys away, especially in games where going gets tough. He doesn't have it in him to captain this club and he isn't good enough as a footballer either.

You just got self absorbed in your own opinion and misunderstood.

I thought Hamann was great. I thought he did the simple things well. I also think Henderson does the simple things well. I never once said Hamann was poor, you put 2 and 2 together and got 5.

Quote from HamannsTheMan on Dec 13, 2017 08:30:26 am

I've just told you.

It isn't about following Steven Gerrard.
We all accept he isn't anywhere near as good as Gerrard was.
But neither was Lucas.
But Lucas would never shy out of a tackle for example. Lucas was another player who wasn't the greatest in the world but he wore his heart on his sleeve and for that reason he became a big fan favourite.
Dirk Kuyt was another one.

If Henderson had that grit and determination in him he would win many people over despite being a very limited footballer. But he shys away, especially in games where going gets tough.

He doesn't have it in him to captain this club and he isn't good enough as a footballer either.

This.

Quote from HamannsTheMan on Dec 13, 2017 08:30:26 am

Nobody expects Henderson to score 30 yard Gerrard screamers every game or dribble past 7 men like Messi or put Firmino through on goal with a 50 yard pass like Pirlo would. But what he does do just isn't enough.

The weight of the armband is too much for him and he receives more criticism for it. It isn't about following Steven Gerrard. We all accept he isn't anywhere near as good as Gerrard was. But neither was Lucas. But Lucas would never shy out of a tackle for example. Lucas was another player who wasn't the greatest in the world but he wore his heart on his sleeve and for that reason he became a big fan favourite. Dirk Kuyt was another one.

If Henderson had that grit and determination in him he would win many people over despite being a very limited footballer. But he shys away, especially in games where going gets tough. He doesn't have it in him to captain this club and he isn't good enough as a footballer either.

Spot on that.

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Quote from HamannsTheMan on Dec 13, 2017 08:30:26 am

The weight of the armband is too much for him and he receives more criticism for it. It isn't about following Steven Gerrard. We all accept he isn't anywhere near as good as Gerrard was. But neither was Lucas. But Lucas would never shy out of a tackle for example. Lucas was another player who wasn't the greatest in the world but he wore his heart on his sleeve and for that reason he became a big fan favourite. Dirk Kuyt was another one.

If Henderson had that grit and determination in him he would win many people over despite being a very limited footballer. But he shys away, especially in games where going gets tough. He doesn't have it in him to captain this club and he isn't good enough as a footballer either.

The problem with Henderson is he blows hot and cold, it's nothing to do with his ability of being a footballer, he wouldn't have got anywhere near this squad for the last 5 years if he wasn't a good footballer - you and everyone else are talking rubbish when you compare him to other footballers when you're looking to cast the blame somewhere, notably on the captain - and understandably!

When Henderson is on song I don't see a harder working midfielder on the pitch.

My question to you is who replaces Henderson as captain if he's not fit for the job?

Quote from Court LFC on Dec 13, 2017 06:26:40 pm

The problem with Henderson is he blows hot and cold, it's nothing to do with his ability of being a footballer, he wouldn't have got anywhere near this squad for the last 5 years if he wasn't a good footballer - you and everyone else are talking rubbish when you compare him to other footballers when you're looking to cast the blame somewhere, notably on the captain - and understandably!

When Henderson is on song I don't see a harder working midfielder on the pitch.

My question to you is who replaces Henderson as captain if he's not fit for the job?

He wouldn't have gotten anywhere near this squad if he wasn't any good?

Since he has been here we've finished 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th, 8th and 4th. We've been a mid table team.

We had one freak season with Brendan Rodgers when S&S were on fire.

It's only recently we've started to show progress again and that's because Jürgen has signed Salah and Mane so we have the best attack in the league.

I think Jürgen played his best team against Moscow which was a must win game to see us qualify for the knock out stages of the European cup and Hendo didn't feature. He didn't play our captain in our biggest European Cup game since 2009. Only time will tell but I think we're starting to see signs of Klopp edging him out of things now.

I've never doubted Hendersons work rate, it's the only thing I give him credit for to be honest, but we don't need a runner, if we did then we would sign mo farah.

I don't cast any blame, I just don't think he offers anything for us. What does Jordan Henderson offer us that no other professional footballer can? What makes him different to anyone else? What makes him stand out?

I've said plenty of times coutinho would have been my captain until he demanded a move to Barca. But even in the two games he has captained us you can see the difference between leadership. Coutinho will never bark at players, his English isn't brilliant, but he will LEAD by example. Against Moscow he was the best player on the pitch and tonight, even though it wasn't his best game, he was still trying his best to get on the ball and make something happen.

My captain would be Adam Lallana. I like him as a player anyway, I think he is a good footballer, but I see something in him. He has a bit of bite. He is a winner. He is a fighter. He can be a little b***ard when he wants to be and that's what we need.

Coutinho would still be my vice. So right now coutinho would be my skipper until Adam is fit.

I'd also have Firmino and Can captain before Henderson. You mention work rate, well, nobody works harder than Bobby and I'm not a big fan of Can, in fact I don't rate him at all, but he's still got more about him and more of a presence than Hendo.

Quote from HamannsTheMan on Dec 14, 2017 01:08:06 am

He wouldn't have gotten anywhere near this squad if he wasn't any good?

Since he has been here we've finished 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th, 8th and 4th. We've been a mid table team.

We had one freak season with Brendan Rodgers when S&S were on fire.

It's only recently we've started to show progress again and that's because Jürgen has signed Salah and Mane so we have the best attack in the league.

I think Jürgen played his best team against Moscow which was a must win game to see us qualify for the knock out stages of the European cup and Hendo didn't feature. He didn't play our captain in our biggest European Cup game since 2009. Only time will tell but I think we're starting to see signs of Klopp edging him out of things now.

I've never doubted Hendersons work rate, it's the only thing I give him credit for to be honest, but we don't need a runner, if we did then we would sign mo farah.

I don't cast any blame, I just don't think he offers anything for us. What does Jordan Henderson offer us that no other professional footballer can? What makes him different to anyone else? What makes him stand out?

I've said plenty of times coutinho would have been my captain until he demanded a move to Barca. But even in the two games he has captained us you can see the difference between leadership. Coutinho will never bark at players, his English isn't brilliant, but he will LEAD by example. Against Moscow he was the best player on the pitch and tonight, even though it wasn't his best game, he was still trying his best to get on the ball and make something happen.

My captain would be Adam Lallana. I like him as a player anyway, I think he is a good footballer, but I see something in him. He has a bit of bite. He is a winner. He is a fighter. He can be a little b***ard when he wants to be and that's what we need.

Coutinho would still be my vice. So right now coutinho would be my skipper until Adam is fit.

I'd also have Firmino and Can captain before Henderson. You mention work rate, well, nobody works harder than Bobby and I'm not a big fan of Can, in fact I don't rate him at all, but he's still got more about him and more of a presence than Hendo.

We've been mid-table for a long time. You could even argue at the dawn of having players like Alonso, Gerrard etc we've always fallen below the top four one season or another.

I do however agree with you with Lallana. With the characteristics that you have mentioned, and that for me he's the only player that will look to rile up the players around him to get us going. His presence in the team is missed, but again injuries prevent Adam from being a full time option.

Coutinho definitely by example, but I don't think his heart will be in it beyond this season. Emre Can is another one.

Maybe the missing ingredient to Henderson's leadership is his wing-man in midifield Adam Lallana. Time will tell until he comes back in to the squad, and we will be much more better off.

Quote from Court LFC on Dec 14, 2017 11:36:10 am

We've been mid-table for a long time. You could even argue at the dawn of having players like Alonso, Gerrard etc we've always fallen below the top four one season or another.

I do however agree with you with Lallana. With the characteristics that you have mentioned, and that for me he's the only player that will look to rile up the players around him to get us going. His presence in the team is missed, but again injuries prevent Adam from being a full time option.

Coutinho definitely by example, but I don't think his heart will be in it beyond this season. Emre Can is another one.

Maybe the missing ingredient to Henderson's leadership is his wing-man in midifield Adam Lallana. Time will tell until he comes back in to the squad, and we will be much more better off.

Agree with most of your post.

The team with alonso in let's not forget we won the European cup though, we had another European cup final in 2007, we won the FA cup and we mounted a serious title challenge which wasn't down to fluke due to two in form strikers like S&S. We were ranked 1st in Europe at that time too. We were always in the KO stages around the quarters or semi's.

I don't think it can be argued that the midfielders we had back then are head and shoulders above the ones we have now. Henderson doesn't get in that team back then, does he?

You said he wouldn't get anywhere near our team for the last five years if he wasn't any good but his competition has been emre can, an ageing Lucas, an ageing Gerrard etc and throughout his time here we've done next to nothing, we've been languishing around 7th. My point being is, it's not a massive achievement getting a shirt in the Liverpool midfield right now. We don't have any stand out CMs.

Agree with everything you've said on Lallana. I think he is missed too. He usually kick starts the press and other players follow him. He's not scared to put a foot in, he's not scared to get in the referees face or his opponents face either, he's not scared to shout at his team mate to pull his socks up and demand better from him. Adding to the fact he is a decent player then he is very captain material.

I also agree that henderson performs much better when adam is in the team (and I've said that plenty of times on here) but thats actually a criticism of Henderson believe it or not.

I've seen Henderson perform well for us in two short periods. The first was in the nearly season under Brendan when he partnered Gerrard in midfield. Gerrard was the leader, Gerrrad was our captain, Gerrard was the one who we counted on, the one who led us to the title almost. Jordan, while playing pretty well at the time, was happy plodding along minding his own business doing the donkey work for Gerrard. He was happy to be co pilot.

The second spell was very similar. It was at the start of last season. Jürgen pushed Lallana into the middle and our attack blossomed. We had played all of our rivals away from home bar one and we were sitting top of the league. We were on fire, smashing everyone we played. Henderson played his part during that spell but again, for me, it was Lallana who shone and it was him who I felt was the leader on the pitch. Henderson was happy being his number 2, his co pilot.

It's been said plenty of times that when we are playing well and we're winning (usually because our attack is so lethal) then Henderson can usually hide behind that. When it's not going so well though and we need a captain like figure, he's nowhere to be seen.

Look at Spurs away this season, we turn up down there and we don't play well at all, where is our captain? He's nowhere mate, he's invisible, he's a ghost. Sometimes all it takes is one big 50-50 hit in a tackle and it can change a whole game. The crowd react. Other players react. And we don't see this kind of thing from Hendo.

He is happy being somebody's co pilot, the responsibility is too heavy for him and I'm sorry to keep banging my drum but he just isn't up to the job.

One last thing on coutinho and emre. I agree they will be off this summer. But to be fair to them, coutinho in particular, he has remained very professional on the pitch. He is still giving it his all whenever he puts a red shirt on even though we know he doesn't want to be here - similar to Suarez? He would still be worthy of the armband on a short term basis. Vice captain to Adam for me.

Quote from federer on Dec 13, 2017 07:46:27 am

Honest question: can someone tell me the last time that a player---in his prime---was stripped of his captaincy, at a big club? I mean ANY big club.

The last time I can think of something even remotely similar was when Rooney lost the captaincy at United, but again, he wasn't in his prime. He was getting on and couldn't play anymore.

Point being: everyone says "well Klopp thinks Henderson is good enough to be captain, that's all that matters." For those amongst you with memory problems, it was Rodgers who named Henderson captain, NOT Klopp. Klopp came to the club with Henderson already the captain. Do you honestly think that if Klopp had come to the club and there was no chosen captain, that he would've picked Henderson again? Of course not. That decision was solely down to Rodgers, and we all know about his poor decision making.

So for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy would be crushing for Henderson; he'd basically have to sell him at that point. Because he can't say "you're too old," or that it was because of some off-field disciplinary issues or something. Henderson is a stand up lad who just puts his head down and gets on with it; the *only* possible reason for Klopp would be "you're just not good enough." And I don't think Klopp is ruthless enough to rock the boat like that. Hell, he's not even ruthless enough to drop Lovren!

So please, enough with this "well he's good enough for Klopp." No. We have no idea if he's good enough for Klopp. We just know that at this point, it's too much of a gamble for Klopp to strip him of the captaincy.

Jordan has captained England at u21 and senior level, so don't see how you can make it out that Rodgers made some baseless decision to name him as captain. He has plenty of pedigree, whether you like Hendo or not.

Regarding Jürgen, if you are saying he doesn't have the balls to name a different captain, again I don't agree. If there is someone obviously better, than Jürgen should name him, and Jordan would accept it - and maybe even play better without the added pressure.

Imho Jürgen has gonads and there is nobody better to take the role right now.

Quote from bmck on Dec 14, 2017 02:14:14 pm

Jordan has captained England at u21 and senior level, so don't see how you can make it out that Rodgers made some baseless decision to name him as captain. He has plenty of pedigree, whether you like Hendo or not.

Regarding Jürgen, if you are saying he doesn't have the balls to name a different captain, again I don't agree. If there is someone obviously better, than Jürgen should name him, and Jordan would accept it - and maybe even play better without the added pressure.

Imho Jürgen has gonads and there is nobody better to take the role right now.

I don't think Jürgen in the big picture gives a sh*te about who wears an armband....he'd probably prefer there was no armband and he had 11 leaders on the pitch at the same time.

You lot see how Coutinho played from deep yesterday in the 2nd half? That's how I like to see our #6 play against bus parkers, and neither Can or Henderson are capable of playing like that.

Quote from PurpleMonkey on Dec 14, 2017 07:24:49 pm

You lot see how Coutinho played from deep yesterday in the 2nd half? That's how I like to see our #6 play against bus parkers, and neither Can or Henderson are capable of playing like that.

Just a shame he was caught in possession or lost it by trying a Hollywood ball so much.

I thought he was very poor yesterday.

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